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HaplessCrewman May 29 2014 07:02 PM

One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
A pretty good article on how a critically lauded, box office hit can have its reputation change so dramatically over the course of a year.

After the initial blush, how do you see STID a year later? Do you still love it or has contemplation tempered your assessment of the film?

I think Matt Singer at The Dissolve pretty much covers it.

Quote:

Star Trek Into Darkness is so fast-paced, it actually outruns its own logic problems, another reason why it received such an unusual combination of initial positive reviews and subsequent negative buzz. Almost everyone who saw the movie enjoyed the experience. They only started to see the plot holes after thinking about it, watching it again, or reading the criticism that slowly started to cohere around the film.
http://thedissolve.com/features/one-...into-darkness/

doubleohfive May 29 2014 07:03 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
The film is fine. Nerd rage over it was silly a year ago, as it is now.

As I said the other day:

Star Trek Into Darkness is a superb film.

I had a lot of issues going into it because people had basically spoiled half the damn thing for me in the weeks leading up to the film, but once I got past that I found the story, the characterization and the film itself as a whole to be quite satisfying, relevant to what's going on in the world today and more importantly entertaining.

Now, you guys can debate this till you're blue (or green) in the face, but that's my take on it. Critically and financially, it seems to be the case as well.

EDIT TO ADD:

More importantly: This is just one reviewer doing what all bloggers/reviewers who think they're actual, trained journalists/reviewers do: trying to declare something is one thing and one thing only for everyone else when all the blogger (I hesitate to use the term "writer") has is an opinion.

iguana_tonante May 29 2014 07:09 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
The idea that the "reputation" of Into Darkness (or ST09, for what matters) has changed over the years is laughable. People who loved it still loves it, and people who hated it still hates it.

The only difference is that people who liked the film simply moved on, while the many of those who disliked it are still seething with the fury of a thousand burning suns. But they are still just a (very) vocal (but tiny) minority.

mos6507 May 29 2014 07:18 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
Disagree. On the runup, there are those who love to get swept up in the whole community/social experience of feeling like we're all about to participate in a monumental "event" with these blockbusters. So we want to love it as it helps us feel part of a larger whole in an age where we're otherwise so fractionalized into little special interest silos.

That's a big part of why we still go out to movies in the first place instead of watching it on our flat-screen TVs. But after that dies down, then you have to just judge the thing on its own merits as a creative work, and more often then not, you'll find it wanting.

BillJ May 29 2014 07:21 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
Between the theater, the Blu-ray and the EPIX replays, I've probably seen it a dozen to fifteen times over the last year. I think it holds up remarkably well from a purely entertainment standpoint though it has its flaws.

Ho Ho Homeier May 29 2014 07:35 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
I've still yet to see it. But I didn't see ST09 until 2012, so there's still time.

Dennis May 29 2014 07:46 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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iguana_tonante wrote: (Post 9637645)
The idea that the "reputation" of Into Darkness (or ST09, for what matters) has changed over the years is laughable. People who loved it still loves it, and people who hated it still hates it.

The only difference is that people who liked the film simply moved on, while the many of those who disliked it are still seething with the fury of a thousand burning suns. But they are still just a (very) vocal (but tiny) minority.

Yep. Vocal and tiny.

Hollywood Doesn't Care About Fanboy Approval

LOKAI of CHERON May 29 2014 07:55 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
I can't remember precisely, but I saw STID seven, maybe eight times in theatres - and many times on Blu-ray since last September. I was quite honestly exhilarated on my "virgin viewing" - and walked out of my local multiplex on a genuine high.

I really didn't expect that - as a fairly jaded, and sometimes apathetic, middle-aged bloke in my mid forties, to feel that way was refreshing and, well, surprising. My childhood heroes had been brought back to life in a thrilling, exciting and enormously entertaining movie. STAR TREK - back on the silver screen.

I fucking loved it last May, and I still fucking love it now!

Dukhat May 29 2014 08:09 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
Now that it's on Netflix, I plan to watch it this weekend. I'll let you know if for some reason my feelings about the film have inexplicably taken a 180 degree turn for the worse ;)

Mage May 29 2014 08:12 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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BillJ wrote: (Post 9637684)
I think it holds up remarkably well from a purely entertainment standpoint though it has its flaws.

This, and nothing more.

It's fantasticly entertaining movie, with fast action, loads of humor, some drama, everything we want in a blockbuster. However, some fans want more from Star Trek. And I don't think that what we as fans consider some of the best Trek episodes, will work well for a movie. So we get big blockbustermovies. In a way, STiD is a lot like TWOK. Somehow, fans still adore that one, but can't except this one.

So yeah, I loved STiD when it came out, and I still do. Highly entertaining.

doubleohfive May 29 2014 08:22 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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Dennis wrote: (Post 9637813)
Quote:

iguana_tonante wrote: (Post 9637645)
The idea that the "reputation" of Into Darkness (or ST09, for what matters) has changed over the years is laughable. People who loved it still loves it, and people who hated it still hates it.

The only difference is that people who liked the film simply moved on, while the many of those who disliked it are still seething with the fury of a thousand burning suns. But they are still just a (very) vocal (but tiny) minority.

Yep. Vocal and tiny.

Hollywood Doesn't Care About Fanboy Approval

:techman:

BillJ May 29 2014 08:23 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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Mage wrote: (Post 9637882)
And I don't think that what we as fans consider some of the best Trek episodes, will work well for a movie.

One day, Paramount will make my big screen treatment of "The Omega Glory"! :evil:

BillJ May 29 2014 08:26 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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doubleohfive wrote: (Post 9637921)
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Dennis wrote: (Post 9637813)
Quote:

iguana_tonante wrote: (Post 9637645)
The idea that the "reputation" of Into Darkness (or ST09, for what matters) has changed over the years is laughable. People who loved it still loves it, and people who hated it still hates it.

The only difference is that people who liked the film simply moved on, while the many of those who disliked it are still seething with the fury of a thousand burning suns. But they are still just a (very) vocal (but tiny) minority.

Yep. Vocal and tiny.

Hollywood Doesn't Care About Fanboy Approval

:techman:

Quote:

The casual moviegoers that propelled Star Trek Into Darkness to $467 million worldwide thought it was an entertaining science-fiction adventure with a fun cast and strong special effects. They didn’t care about the whole “Is Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan?” controversy or the hamfisted callbacks to Wrath of Khan or the 9/11-truther undertones. It was the hardcore Star Trek fans who took to the Internet to proclaim the film to be the “worst Star Trek film ever.” But Paramount (a division of Viacom, Inc.) knows that most of those ”Trekkies” will still show up for Star Trek 3 in summer 2016 no matter how much they disagree with the choice of Roberto Orci as director.
Nailed it.

Mage May 29 2014 08:29 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
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BillJ wrote: (Post 9637933)
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The casual moviegoers that propelled Star Trek Into Darkness to $467 million worldwide thought it was an entertaining science-fiction adventure with a fun cast and strong special effects. They didn’t care about the whole “Is Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan?” controversy or the hamfisted callbacks to Wrath of Khan or the 9/11-truther undertones. It was the hardcore Star Trek fans who took to the Internet to proclaim the film to be the “worst Star Trek film ever.” But Paramount (a division of Viacom, Inc.) knows that most of those ”Trekkies” will still show up for Star Trek 3 in summer 2016 no matter how much they disagree with the choice of Roberto Orci as director.
Nailed it.

I want to have that quote as my signature line for the rest of my life!! :D

F. King Daniel May 29 2014 09:01 PM

Re: One Year Later: Star Trek Into Darkness
 
Quote:

BillJ wrote: (Post 9637933)
Quote:

The casual moviegoers that propelled Star Trek Into Darkness to $467 million worldwide thought it was an entertaining science-fiction adventure with a fun cast and strong special effects. They didn’t care about the whole “Is Benedict Cumberbatch playing Khan?” controversy or the hamfisted callbacks to Wrath of Khan or the 9/11-truther undertones. It was the hardcore Star Trek fans who took to the Internet to proclaim the film to be the “worst Star Trek film ever.” But Paramount (a division of Viacom, Inc.) knows that most of those ”Trekkies” will still show up for Star Trek 3 in summer 2016 no matter how much they disagree with the choice of Roberto Orci as director.
Nailed it.

This will be the most quoted post in the thread, and rightfully so.


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