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8472 May 22 2014 04:05 AM

How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
How physically strong is the average adult female vulcan? More than or less than an average human male?

Push The Button May 22 2014 04:23 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Stronger than me, I'd guess.

Gov Kodos May 22 2014 04:29 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Stronger than the average nerd, no doubt. In Enterprise, Archer tried keeping up with her on a treadmill while working out and it seemed she could easily outpace him without really trying.

8472 May 22 2014 06:51 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
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Gov Kodos wrote: (Post 9610213)
Stronger than the average nerd, no doubt. In Enterprise, Archer tried keeping up with her on a treadmill while working out and it seemed she could easily outpace him without really trying.

Isn't that more about endurance than strength? I've seen plenty of female joggers that could easily out-last me, because I'm not a jogger. That doesn't mean they'd beat me in arm wrestling.

doctorfoto May 22 2014 07:24 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Kasidy stated that Vulcans have 3X the strength of humans (and they're fast, too!).

Timo May 22 2014 08:28 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Strength comes in varieties, too. And muscles take exercise in order to produce maximal strength - special exercise for special types of strength. So a Vulcan of either gender might be born with the potential to be three times stronger than a human, but Archer might be closer to his 100% than T'Pol is to hers, explaining why T'Pol does poorly in wrestling (say, against Klingons) while Archer fares relatively well (again against Klingons).

As for Kasidy, she might have been talking about males even though she didn't specify this. After all, she was commenting on the specific incident of Solok vs. Ben Sisko. So T'Pol's poorish showing might be explained by sexual dimorphism, too.

Timo Saloniemi

Ro_Laren May 22 2014 07:11 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Wasn't there an Enterprise episode where T'Pol was teaching Starfleet officers Vulcan martial arts? Or maybe I just read that in a Star Trek book. Lol!

JirinPanthosa May 22 2014 08:17 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
She was once teaching villagers Vulcan martial arts. Or, in theory she was, all she really taught them was, if anyone attacks you, duck backward twice then roll away.

There's no indication in the show that Vulcan women are less strong than Vulcan men, other than what's implied by their physical size. But proportionally still that would make them much stronger than the average human.

varek May 22 2014 11:47 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Vulcan males are stronger than Vulcan females. Other than that, it depends upon the individual.

lostshaker May 23 2014 03:29 AM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
Does physical strength of a Vulcan female really matter when she can likely make suggestive advances towards an aggressor and than render them unconscious with a VNP or get them to do her bidding with a mind meld?

Retu May 23 2014 07:42 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
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Gov Kodos wrote: (Post 9610213)
Stronger than the average nerd, no doubt. In Enterprise, Archer tried keeping up with her on a treadmill while working out and it seemed she could easily outpace him without really trying.

You have to remember that the Vulcan atmosphere is described as thin. A vulcan engaging in aerobic exercise in Earth normal atmosphere will have an advantage, since for them it actually is oxygen rich environment. And lot cooler too.

Misfit Toy May 23 2014 08:04 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
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lostshaker wrote: (Post 9614125)
Does physical strength of a Vulcan female really matter when she can likely make suggestive advances towards an aggressor and than render them unconscious with a VNP or get them to do her bidding with a mind meld?

What does "suggestive advances" have to do with the topic?

Bry_Sinclair May 23 2014 08:34 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
A Vulcan has three times the strength of a human, seeing as how both males and females are raised on the same high gravity planet then their strength would be equal to one another. Some may be stronger, by carrying out more thorough fitness regimes.

I don't see anything in Trek that suggests Vulcan females are any weaker.

doctorfoto May 23 2014 08:49 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
I still think Kasidy's statement about Vulcans' strength still holds pretty well. First because it's canon, not simply conjecture, and second because it can be accepted at face value. Sisko quickly agreed to the sentiment, who wrestled a Vulcan and then spent the next 20 years reading about how Vulcans were superior to humans. He himself also told the Niners earlier in the episode that Vulcans were " ...stronger and faster than any one of us - except for Worf."

Using this as a basis, I'm going to speculate that a Vulcan to a human is roughly the equivalent of an adult human of say 25 years old to your average pre-pubescent 9-10 year old. (yes there is probably a wide margin of error here, but generally speaking I can see it taking three nine year olds to take down a reasonably fit young person.) Put that same nine-year old against a young woman of the same age and fitness level and the young woman would still have the advantage in both strength and speed. It may take only two nine year olds of decent strength, (though nothing in canon says that the women are any weaker) but regardless, she would still have the advantage.

Timo May 24 2014 09:34 PM

Re: How strong is a female Vulcan?
 
...I guess the unavoidable lemma to all this is the relative strength of Vulcans vs. Klingons.

We have never seen Worf display strength beyond that of humans. To the contrary, Riker seems to outdo Worf in certain tasks of lifting and twisting, and physically fights Worf well in "Where Silence Has Lease".

Perhaps Worf doesn't know how to exercise his Klingon musculature properly and therefore is less strong than a Klingon growing in a Klingon culture? But Worf does well against fellow Klingons in bat'leth fighting which involves a lot of arm muscle use. OTOH, he barely manages against Jadzia Dax (unless that's just an act). So it seems that any muscle strength advantage Klingons might hold over humans is minimal, and Vulcans (and Romulans!) would still throw Worf around like a sack of potatoes.

Female Klingons are seen fighting with swords in unisex ritual games (and supposedly with anything from furniture to claws and teeth in sexual games), but whether there is sexual dimorphism there in "reality", we don't know. It doesn't look as if any of the female Klingon characters would be weaker than the corresponding males of the episodes, regardless of species.

Timo Saloniemi


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