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F. King Daniel May 20 2014 11:46 AM

A gay character and other potential ST3 tidbits
 
I just ran across THIS article from a year ago. In it, JJ Abrams briefly discusses ideas for Into Darkness that didn't make it:

“But when you have a movie that’s two hours long, and a group of over half a dozen critical characters demanding attention, it’s hard to find time for all the nuances you want. There was [an idea] implying the sexuality of one of the characters, a back story for another character that was pretty intense, a really funny story we wanted to do with yet another. Hopefully, if there are future films, those other stories will get their moment.”

Sounds fascinating. I hope this stuff is built upon in the next movie.

ChristopherPike May 20 2014 12:50 PM

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I read that as:

sexuality = Sulu
intense = McCoy
funny = Chekov

Probably.

Bry_Sinclair May 20 2014 02:43 PM

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Sexuality = Spock (explains why he is so angry all the time, he doesn't accept or understand the feelings he faces for a close male companion)
Funny = Kirk (he keeps making schoolboy-esque comments and slip-ups with members of the opposite sex, ending in hilarity)
Intense = Chekov (the genetic engineering used to speed up his aging has some serious repercussions)

Shaka Zulu May 20 2014 02:56 PM

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^Why can't you just accept that Chekov was a very smart boy taken in early to the Academy who did very well and was assigned to the Enterprise like all of the other cadets as a sink-or swim measure? :vulcan:

Jeyl May 20 2014 06:46 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9602353)
“But when you have a movie that’s two hours long, and a group of over half a dozen critical characters demanding attention, it’s hard to find time for all the nuances you want. There was [an idea] implying the sexuality of one of the characters, a back story for another character that was pretty intense, a really funny story we wanted to do with yet another. Hopefully, if there are future films, those other stories will get their moment.”

JJ Abrams didn't expand upon a character who might have a different orientation than all our straight characters? Can't say I'm not surprised given how he thought it was more important to have a build up and pay off to seeing Carol Marcus undress in front of Kirk for no reason. And when he tried to defend this decision by saying Kirk was in his underwear too (Even though the said scene was focused on two half naked alien women and not him) and how he shot a scene of Khan taking a shower (Which he cut out of the movie), I guess you could say he had his priorities straight.

Dennis May 20 2014 06:55 PM

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The intense backstory was probably Carol Marcus.

Jeyl May 20 2014 07:18 PM

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Dennis wrote: (Post 9603634)
The intense backstory was probably Carol Marcus.

I would hardly call the reason behind her english accent to be an intense backstory.

M'Sharak May 20 2014 07:46 PM

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Jeyl wrote: (Post 9603604)
Quote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9602353)
“But when you have a movie that’s two hours long, and a group of over half a dozen critical characters demanding attention, it’s hard to find time for all the nuances you want. There was [an idea] implying the sexuality of one of the characters, a back story for another character that was pretty intense, a really funny story we wanted to do with yet another. Hopefully, if there are future films, those other stories will get their moment.”

JJ Abrams didn't expand upon a character who might have a different orientation than all our straight characters? Can't say I'm not surprised given how he thought it was more important to have a build up and pay off to seeing Carol Marcus undress in front of Kirk for no reason. And when he tried to defend this decision by saying Kirk was in his underwear too (Even though the said scene was focused on two half naked alien women and not him) and how he shot a scene of Khan taking a shower (Which he cut out of the movie), I guess you could say he had his priorities straight.

Jeyl, do you suppose you could participate in a discussion of this article—here, now, in this thread—and not do your old trick of simply repeating harangues already made in previous threads (e.g.: last year's Carol Marcus thread)? Seriously, it's boring, it's not contributing to the conversation, and besides, you've been asked before to refrain from doing that.

Pauln6 May 20 2014 08:20 PM

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Shaka Zulu wrote: (Post 9602776)
^Why can't you just accept that Chekov was a very smart boy taken in early to the Academy who did very well and was assigned to the Enterprise like all of the other cadets as a sink-or swim measure? :vulcan:

I can accept that, although I can't accept him being promoted to chief engineer after only a year as an ensign...

I think the more important issue is probably that while he may have the same name, he isn't actually the same person as the prime timeline since he is the product of a different sperm and ovum. Of course, one could say the same thing about every other character born after Nero's appearance as well but in Chekov's case it's a definite. Either Pavel Prime doesn't exist or in this reality, Chekov really has a brother. The latter would be a nice twist actually.

As an aside, since this Chekov is a different person, his sexuality is entirely up for grabs.

F. King Daniel May 20 2014 08:30 PM

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No definites about it. For Chekov to be a different person, you have to prove he was telling the truth about his age in "Plato's Stepchildren", or that there were no time dilation or other temporal shenanigans involving him prior to his time on the Enterprise.

Dennis May 20 2014 08:45 PM

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There was a character named Pavel Chekov in TOS, there's a character named Pavel Chekov in nuTrek, they serve the same function. This guy's younger, McCoy's taller...same characters, different details.

Dukhat May 20 2014 10:30 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9602353)
I just ran across THIS article from a year ago. In it, JJ Abrams briefly discusses ideas for Into Darkness that didn't make it:

“But when you have a movie that’s two hours long, and a group of over half a dozen critical characters demanding attention, it’s hard to find time for all the nuances you want. There was [an idea] implying the sexuality of one of the characters, a back story for another character that was pretty intense, a really funny story we wanted to do with yet another. Hopefully, if there are future films, those other stories will get their moment.”

Sounds fascinating. I hope this stuff is built upon in the next movie.

Where are you getting a gay character out of this quote? Just the "implying the sexuality" thing? That doesn't necessarily mean that someone is gay.

Franklin May 20 2014 10:37 PM

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Dennis wrote: (Post 9604084)
There was a character named Pavel Chekov in TOS, there's a character named Pavel Chekov in nuTrek, they serve the same function. This guy's younger, McCoy's taller...same characters, different details.

Kirk's eyes were a different color!

His hair was a different color!!

Scotty had an authentic Scottish accent!!!

TEH CONTINUITY!!!!

JarodRussell May 21 2014 12:22 AM

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Dennis did not wrote: (Post 9604084)
There was a character named Wesley Crusher in TNG, there's a character named Pavel Chekov in nuTrek, they serve the same function.

That would be more correct. :techman:

Set Harth May 21 2014 12:26 AM

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I'm pretty sure the gay character is Keenser.


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