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Brolan May 14 2014 02:26 AM

Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020 and that this would effectively exclude the United States from using the orbiting laboratory.
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Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

I guess this is what we get for being too cheap to maintain our manned space program.

gturner May 14 2014 05:01 AM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
That was insignificant compared to what else he said, which is that ULA is banned from using the RD-180, which powers the Atlas-5, from launching US military satellites. It is presumed this also means that we'll no longer get any RD-180s. Perhaps the Administration shouldn't have targeted his personal finances without considering the consequences.

Yminale May 14 2014 11:27 PM

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gturner wrote: (Post 9579061)
That was insignificant compared to what else he said, which is that ULA is banned from using the RD-180, which powers the Atlas-5, from launching US military satellites. It is presumed this also means that we'll no longer get any RD-180s. Perhaps the Administration shouldn't have targeted his personal finances without considering the consequences.

Perhaps the Administration did think it over and realize we have a two year supply of RD-180's. When those run out there is still the Delta IV, Falcon Heavy or worse case scenario we can use Ariane 5 or H-IIB

Yminale May 14 2014 11:31 PM

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Brolan wrote: (Post 9578578)
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020

I don't think the US has any plans to maintain the ISS after 2024. If Russia pulls out we just de-orbit the ISS earlier and save a ton of money.

gturner May 15 2014 02:55 AM

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Yminale wrote: (Post 9581971)
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gturner wrote: (Post 9579061)
That was insignificant compared to what else he said, which is that ULA is banned from using the RD-180, which powers the Atlas-5, from launching US military satellites. It is presumed this also means that we'll no longer get any RD-180s. Perhaps the Administration shouldn't have targeted his personal finances without considering the consequences.

Perhaps the Administration did think it over and realize we have a two year supply of RD-180's. When those run out there is still the Delta IV, Falcon Heavy or worse case scenario we can use Ariane 5 or H-IIB

The Administration has yet to think anything over, and I doubt this is the one exception. The Russian PM threw a monkey wrench into DoD's space access, which is heavily dependent on the Atlas V. He said we can't use the Atlas V for military satellites, and it is their engine to which they retain the rights, so they can do that (Reagan did similar things). If we go ahead and use the existing stock of RD-180's for military launches, it gives the Russians a pretext to do bad things with the ISS.

The Delta IV probably can't pick up the Atlas V flights, since it only performs three to four launches per year, and those are already booked, while the Atlas launches 5 to 8 times a year, and the vast majority of its launches are military payloads.

Dennis May 15 2014 04:57 AM

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gturner wrote: (Post 9582946)
The Administration has yet to think anything over...

They're doing quite a good job overall, thanks very much. :)

gturner May 15 2014 07:40 AM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
Only in stonewalling and avoiding prosecution. The rest of the world is pretty much burning their diplomatic bridges in an attempt to flee. Thus the ISS dust up.

Dennis May 15 2014 01:32 PM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
No.

Sorry that you're disappointed by the inability of the GOP to gin up a real scandal or any substantial misconduct to build their campaigns on. I'm sure it seemed like an easy idea from the other side, given how consumed the Nixon, Reagan and Dubya administrations were by such things.

MacLeod May 15 2014 01:54 PM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
There are other launch systems capable of launching a satalite into space.

Dennis May 15 2014 02:15 PM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
We've got Superman.

USS Triumphant May 15 2014 02:25 PM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
It's silly to argue partisan politics on this particular issue. BOTH parties have continuously had administrations since LBJ that have been shortsighted and have gutted space exploration budgets.
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Dennis wrote: (Post 9584278)
We've got Superman.

True, but he just isn't the same since he stopped wearing his underwear where everyone can see them. ;)

JarodRussell May 15 2014 02:28 PM

Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020
 
Quote:

Brolan wrote: (Post 9578578)
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020 and that this would effectively exclude the United States from using the orbiting laboratory.
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Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

I guess this is what we get for being too cheap to maintain our manned space program.

Three options:
- all of a sudden there's money for a space shuttle replacement
- they dust the old space shuttle off
- US manned space program ends for quite some time

Or the 4th - unlikely - option, Putin gets removed at some point and his successor stops being an asshole idiot.

Metryq May 15 2014 06:59 PM

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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 9584326)
Three options:
- all of a sudden there's money for a space shuttle replacement
- they dust the old space shuttle off
- US manned space program ends for quite some time

1. The shuttle was highly inefficient and thus way too expensive. It was a compromised program that looked good to the public, and the military liked it, but fell far short of its promised specs. Even non-reusable, purpose-built craft for cargo or personnel would have been much cheaper.
2. See 1
3. Turn to much more efficient private enterprise, like SpaceX. Or perhaps sell ISS to a private enterprise—assuming anyone would want it.

USS Triumphant May 15 2014 07:26 PM

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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 9584326)
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Brolan wrote: (Post 9578578)
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020 and that this would effectively exclude the United States from using the orbiting laboratory.
...
Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

I guess this is what we get for being too cheap to maintain our manned space program.

Three options:
- all of a sudden there's money for a space shuttle replacement
- they dust the old space shuttle off
- US manned space program ends for quite some time

Or the 4th - unlikely - option, Putin gets removed at some point and his successor stops being an asshole idiot.

5. They take the wraps off of this, and we discover we didn't absolutely need the Russians the whole time anyway?

vulcan redshirt May 15 2014 07:26 PM

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6 - there's 5 and a half years to say sorry, make up and be friends again.


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