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Zane1108 May 11 2014 07:38 PM

Regeneration question...
 
So I just wanted to make one thing clear the Borg in this episode were the ones Picard dealt with in First Contact right? So why didn't Picard scan the surface before he left and see that there were still Borg down there? I remember him saying he didn't want to contaminate the timeline, but didn't he do just that? The episode implied that Picard through a paradox set the wheels in motion for the Borg attack right? Can anyone explain why Picard would leave Borg down on the surface before returning to his time?

King Daniel Into Darkness May 11 2014 08:48 PM

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The Enterprise was more than half Borgified at the time. I doubt much was left in proper working condition.

MacLeod May 11 2014 09:38 PM

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Another possibility is that the debris didn't strike Earth immediatly after the Borg Sphere was destroyed but was Debris that they thought would burn up in the Atmosphere but it somehow managed to survive entry.

Nebusj May 12 2014 03:26 AM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9570802)
The Enterprise was more than half Borgified at the time. I doubt much was left in proper working condition.

On the other hand, given the catastrophe that would result if Borg seeds were overlooked, and that there's no time constraints on when the Enterprise goes back, it's hard to see why the ship couldn't take the time to repair enough sensors to be confident that no Borg equipment had survived.

Maybe Picard believed his Locutus Sense when it told him there wasn't any further workable Borg Stuff on the planet.

Tiberius May 12 2014 05:50 AM

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It didn't pollute the timeline. Picard knew the drones in the wreckage would be discovered, and he made sure that history would play out the way his history books said it had to.

Mytran May 12 2014 10:33 AM

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I bet he wishes he'd read those history books before taunting Q that one time. Or maybe actually asked Guinan WHO she was fleeing from back in 2294?

Mr. Laser Beam May 12 2014 02:46 PM

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Nebusj wrote: (Post 9571840)
there's no time constraints on when the Enterprise goes back

I don't know if there's any evidence of that.

Timo May 12 2014 03:20 PM

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Actually, I could see a severe constraint there: the Vulcans arrive. And while they miss the E-E, thanks to "the Moon's gravitational field", what they miss is the hasty escape of the starship. Had she remained behind for a minute longer, she could have been subject to thorough Vulcan scans - the species is known for being anal-retentively methodical, after all.

(Also, I could well see the Vulcans immediately thinking "There are only drunken monkeys down here - where did that warp technology really come from?", meaning it would be very important to hide the starship very quickly!)

Timo Saloniemi

Zane1108 May 15 2014 07:48 PM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 9572161)
It didn't pollute the timeline. Picard knew the drones in the wreckage would be discovered, and he made sure that history would play out the way his history books said it had to.

I have to disagree with this there is no way Picard would leave drone Borg on the surface intentionally.

Mr. Laser Beam May 15 2014 09:06 PM

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^ Unless Picard had full knowledge that this was a natural part of the timeline and should not be interfered with. Which is a stretch, but possible.

Mytran May 15 2014 11:49 PM

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It wouldn't be the first time that Picard felt he had the right to try and tamper with history (see also Yesterday's Enterprise)

Mr. Laser Beam May 16 2014 12:03 AM

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^ That was *restoring* history, not tampering with it.

Tiberius May 16 2014 07:07 AM

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Zane1108 wrote: (Post 9585520)
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Tiberius wrote: (Post 9572161)
It didn't pollute the timeline. Picard knew the drones in the wreckage would be discovered, and he made sure that history would play out the way his history books said it had to.

I have to disagree with this there is no way Picard would leave drone Borg on the surface intentionally.

Really? Even if he knew that to remove them would mean that history would play out differently and could change the future?

Zane1108 May 16 2014 10:34 AM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 9587932)
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Zane1108 wrote: (Post 9585520)
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Tiberius wrote: (Post 9572161)
It didn't pollute the timeline. Picard knew the drones in the wreckage would be discovered, and he made sure that history would play out the way his history books said it had to.

I have to disagree with this there is no way Picard would leave drone Borg on the surface intentionally.

Really? Even if he knew that to remove them would mean that history would play out differently and could change the future?

How could Picard possibly know that is my question? He had no knowledge of the events that would take place once the Borg were discovered by the scientists. Why would he think this is the natural part of the timeline? The episode implies that Picard in a weird Star Trek way set the wheels in motion for the eventual Borg attack 200 years later and that rubbed me the wrong way.

Mytran May 16 2014 12:53 PM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 9586750)
^ That was *restoring* history, not tampering with it.

That was just Picard's bit of spin to try and convince his senior staff to go along with the word of a bartender. In reality, he had no way of knowing whether the last 20 years of history were "correct" or not, since he had lived every day and they were very real to him!

Call it what you will, this War-Picard had made the unilateral decision to try and change history for everyone.


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