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teacake April 28 2014 12:10 PM

I just had a revelation
 
Tonight I was having real life conversation about the Borg and how in First Contact Starfleet still don't know a lot about the Borg compared to say, the Romulans, and that is why Picard was sent to the outer rim and not allowed in the fight because of this unknown quantity. And I was thinking about how so many people are devoted to researching the Borg and trying to understand them, how they tick and their weaknesses and how admirable this is. And then it occurred to me how much more EFFORT would be happening in such an area in the future, and in all and every area of research and science because no one has any physical needs to worry about. You don't worry about grant money, or paying the bills, or paying for the kids you don't live with or saving enough for a house or a car or retirement. Everything is absolutely taken care of and you get up every morning and work for your deep and abiding interest in the topic.

Your work is unconnected to eating and living and life security.

Probably there are a myriad of jobs that get you everything you want, you just sign up for one of them and you have travel credit, house credit, retirement credit. And it doesn't matter what job it is so if you are Mr. Science guy you get to play all day in science and if you are Mr. Lazy guy you find the least tasking thing you can get away with and do that. And the only people who get nothing are ones who opt out of the system completely and earth makes it so difficult for them they end up on some crap world working their butt off for a hamburger and this really puts a damper on opting out.

Anyway my revelation was that more would get done, people would be more excited about working to better the world if that work wasn't tied to their own financial and personal security. I don't know if this is true though.

2takesfrakes April 28 2014 12:21 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
You sussed it! That's the idea.

Guy Gardener April 28 2014 12:41 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Dude. (Yes, you're a girl, but I really don't think about you that way.)

Picard was sent to the Romulan front because whoever was in charge of Earth's defences did not want to risk Jean-Luc changing sides and embracing his inner Locutus.

I had a Revelation today.

I read that in the novel that Riker and Dee had a baby.

"Natasha"

I'm struggling to identify any deep personal connection between Dee and Yar.

It's 20 years later, half the Federation fell in the Dominion war, and 900 billion died in the last Borg assault... But 20 years ago there was this lady with big shoulders and a Sandy Duncan haircut who they just must name their first child after... (Okay Dee had a space baby in season two, but that barely counts.) So then I wondered if Tasha didn't have a relationship with Dee strong enough to earn her naming rights, what about Will? Which is when it dawned on me, that XO and the Secruity Chief must have been at it hot and fast through out most of 2364.

And that's my disgusting revelation for today.

teacake April 28 2014 12:58 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Maybe it wasn't him, maybe Tasha got a little graphic in her counselling post-Data story and something happened between them. Because Deanna didn't mute her empathy ray to the same self preservation extent as she might do naturally because she subconsciously reacted as though Tasha was telling her about a moment between her and the replicator so it took her by surprise. And.. !

Isn't that so much better.

(But they should have named her after her sister.)

JarodRussell April 28 2014 01:19 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Quote:

teacake wrote: (Post 9521818)
Tonight I was having real life conversation about the Borg and how in First Contact Starfleet still don't know a lot about the Borg compared to say, the Romulans, and that is why Picard was sent to the outer rim and not allowed in the fight because of this unknown quantity. And I was thinking about how so many people are devoted to researching the Borg and trying to understand them, how they tick and their weaknesses and how admirable this is. And then it occurred to me how much more EFFORT would be happening in such an area in the future, and in all and every area of research and science because no one has any physical needs to worry about. You don't worry about grant money, or paying the bills, or paying for the kids you don't live with or saving enough for a house or a car or retirement. Everything is absolutely taken care of and you get up every morning and work for your deep and abiding interest in the topic.

Your work is unconnected to eating and living and life security.

Probably there are a myriad of jobs that get you everything you want, you just sign up for one of them and you have travel credit, house credit, retirement credit. And it doesn't matter what job it is so if you are Mr. Science guy you get to play all day in science and if you are Mr. Lazy guy you find the least tasking thing you can get away with and do that. And the only people who get nothing are ones who opt out of the system completely and earth makes it so difficult for them they end up on some crap world working their butt off for a hamburger and this really puts a damper on opting out.

Anyway my revelation was that more would get done, people would be more excited about working to better the world if that work wasn't tied to their own financial and personal security. I don't know if this is true though.

Just think about what you would do if you won millions in the lottery. The freedom you get by such a win is enormous.

The thing is, in OUR society it would mean chaos, because we are trained and educated to work to live, and sometimes live to work. If you took the pressure away from people all of a sudden, of course at first the majority of them would turn into lazy couch potatoes. Money is right now the greatest element of ambition in our society.

But in Star Trek, humans have slowly developed to the point were they work for their own enjoyment, because the switch to a no money society didn't come out of the blue. They don't need money as motivation, and they don't need the pressure of a deadline to finish their work.


When you look at extremely rich people, most of them donate their money to charity (so, as Picard would say, they are trying "to better themselves and the rest of humanity"), and I give them the benefit of the doubt that they do it because they WANT to do it, and not because their PR manager told them to.

Kevman7987 April 28 2014 01:22 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Quote:

Guy Gardener wrote: (Post 9521869)
Dude. (Yes, you're a girl, but I really don't think about you that way.)

Picard was sent to the Romulan front because whoever was in charge of Earth's defences did not want to risk Jean-Luc changing sides and embracing his inner Locutus.

I had a Revelation today.

I read that in the novel that Riker and Dee had a baby.

"Natasha"

I'm struggling to identify any deep personal connection between Dee and Yar.

It's 20 years later, half the Federation fell in the Dominion war, and 900 billion died in the last Borg assault... But 20 years ago there was this lady with big shoulders and a Sandy Duncan haircut who they just must name their first child after... (Okay Dee had a space baby in season two, but that barely counts.) So then I wondered if Tasha didn't have a relationship with Dee strong enough to earn her naming rights, what about Will? Which is when it dawned on me, that XO and the Secruity Chief must have been at it hot and fast through out most of 2364.

And that's my disgusting revelation for today.

Quote:

teacake wrote: (Post 9521899)
Maybe it wasn't him, maybe Tasha got a little graphic in her counselling post-Data story and something happened between them. Because Deanna didn't mute her empathy ray to the same self preservation extent as she might do naturally because she subconsciously reacted as though Tasha was telling her about a moment between her and the replicator so it took her by surprise. And.. !

Isn't that so much better.

(But they should have named her after her sister.)

So the question is, was it Riker and Yar that were "docking" or was it Troi and Yar? Or was it all three of them? That would fit right in nicely with Gene Roddenberry's view of sexuality as he wanted it in Star Trek.

teacake April 28 2014 01:22 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Quote:

JarodRussell wrote: (Post 9521941)
Just think about what you would do if you won millions in the lottery. The freedom you get by such a win is enormous.

The thing is, in OUR society it would mean chaos, because we are trained and educated to work to live, and sometimes live to work. If you took the pressure away from people all of a sudden, of course at first the majority of them would turn into lazy couch potatoes. Money is right now the greatest element of ambition in our society.

But in Star Trek, humans have slowly developed to the point were they work for their own enjoyment, because the switch to a no money society didn't come out of the blue. They don't need money as motivation, and they don't need the pressure of a deadline to finish their work.


When you look at extremely rich people, most of them donate their money to charity (so, as Picard would say, they are trying "to better themselves and the rest of humanity"), and I give them the benefit of the doubt that they do it because they WANT to do it, and not because their PR manager told them to.



Yes it's a human at the end of a social evolution we see, not how we would end up if we magically woke up like this today. I for one would not get off the beach for a decade.

I wish we had seen the rebellious element on earth, the outliers that were still on that planet. Does anyone pay you to take the piss? I bet all art is govco approved, you don't get to live the evolved secure life if you manage to be outside of what the officials think is worthy of it.

Guy Gardener April 28 2014 01:24 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Kirstin Dunst, it's so weird when actually famous people muddle through Star Trek before they actually make it.

teacake April 28 2014 01:27 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Quote:

Kevman7987 wrote: (Post 9521950)
So the question is, was it Riker and Yar that were "docking" or was it Troi and Yar? Or was it all three of them? That would fit right in nicely with Gene Roddenberry's view of sexuality as he wanted it in Star Trek.

True.

....... but can't we just toss out Riker altogether?

I KNOW. After hearing all about Tasha's Data experimentation Deanna suggests she bring him along to the next session. To demonstrate how to properly implement him. There, we have Roddenberry's brave new world AND a great reason for the baby name because no one ever brought Deanna a present that good again.

teacake April 28 2014 01:34 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Quote:

Guy Gardener wrote: (Post 9521956)
Kirstin Dunst, it's so weird when actually famous people muddle through Star Trek before they actually make it.

When I saw the character Cassie in Buffy season 7 (NO SPOILERS) I totally thought it was Drew Barrymore and had to go look it up.

Anyway my revelation started with a conversation with someone watching VOY for the first time who hadn't realized that Paris was in prison in the first ep because they didn't recognize it as prison because it looked too nice. Because everything works better in the future, prison rehabilitates you, mental health issues are whizzed away by magic medicine.

JanewayRulz! April 28 2014 01:43 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
The words "New Zealand Penal Colony" weren't a clue for your friend? ;)

teacake April 28 2014 01:45 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Nope. Dim.

Guy Gardener April 28 2014 01:54 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
Star Wars.

Blame Star Wars.

We see words floating through space, and something just glazes over inside.

Melakon April 28 2014 08:25 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
But Voyager's "New Zealand Penal Colony" didn't have any hobbit shires or anything, because their version was filmed in California.

Yanks April 28 2014 08:39 PM

Re: I just had a revelation
 
teacake: "Your work is unconnected to eating and living and life security."

I've always said that the invention of the replicator is one of the main contributors to Earth "figuring it all out" in the Star Trek universe.


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