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starsuperion April 17 2014 12:39 AM

star trek temporal agents vs Timelords
 
So I would love to discuss the technological differences and compare things on this topic. Don't know really where to begin..any takers? Okay here's one..the vortex manipulator vs the transporter of time..which is more reliable?

Also it appears there was a ship or pod found that was bigger on the inside in voyager..

Enterprise1701 April 17 2014 12:42 AM

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The vortex manipulator is a technology apparently originated by 51st century humans, not the Time Lords. It, though, has controls on itself unlike the "time portals" used by the Federation Temporal Agency which are generated from a 31st century facility(ies).

Melakon April 17 2014 01:00 AM

Re: star trek temporal agents vs Timelords
 
I don't know the Doctor Who universe at all, but as a long-time Trek fan, the Time Lords win because they've been doing this sort of thing much longer.

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starsuperion wrote:
Also it appears there was a ship or pod found that was bigger on the inside in voyager..

On ENT, the NX discovers such a thing.

The Wormhole April 17 2014 03:04 AM

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At the very least, Time Lords have better fashion sense than Mr. Daniels on Enterprise did.

YellowSubmarine April 17 2014 10:02 AM

Re: star trek temporal agents vs Timelords
 
The 50th anniversary ends, and the two guys from the Department of Temporal Investigations come to question the Doctor.

Muldur: Doctor, why'd you travel back in time?
The Doctor: It was an accident.
Lucsly: So you're not contending it was a pre-destination paradox or a time loop? We hate hose.
The Doctor: Um... no. Although... There was the letter from the Queen...
Muldur: What letter from the Queen?
The Doctor: Oh, nothing... Nothing of historic importance anyway...
Muldur: Is that a joke?
The Doctor: No.
Lucsly: Good.
Muldur: We hate those too.
Lucsly: So - what happened?
The Doctor: The Moment came...
Muldur: The Moment?
Lucsly: It is a Time Lord schedule 5 temporal weapon. Gallifrey should have never been accepted in the Federation before destroying those.
The Doctor: Somebody had activated the Moment, and the fissure pulled me back to the Doctor and Elizabeth...
Muldur: The Elizabeth.
The Doctor: The one and only!
Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record.
Muldur: The woman was a menace.
The Doctor: No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. You're thinking of... the infamous Captain Braxton and Agent Daniels.
Muldur: Who?
The Doctor: Can't tell you that.
Lucsly: Why not?
The Doctor: Temporal prime directive.


(OTOH, none of them agents were as outrageous as the Teselecta guys. I am sure the Doctor will not get that mad at them if he can be friends with the Teselecta nutjobs.)

Captaindemotion April 17 2014 08:49 PM

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If only there were a regular poster on this board who'd written a book or two about Starfleet's Department of Temporal Investigations...

MacLeod April 17 2014 10:48 PM

Re: star trek temporal agents vs Timelords
 
Based on the limited evidenace we have we can't really say which is more reliable, the Temporal Transporter as seen in VOY or the Vortex Manipulator. So questions to ask

What sort of Temporal range does a Temporal Transporter have? We know that a Vortex Manipulator can faciliate Time Travel of at least 100 Trillion years.

The vortex manipulator is also considered primative by The Doctor he liked it to a space hopper vs his sports car (TARDIS).

starsuperion April 18 2014 08:08 PM

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I Don't Know, I Mean To Me Being Able To Transport All The Way To The Delta Quadrant From The Alpha Quadrant Across Time Is Pretty Powerful And Without The Use Of A TARDIS Is Pretty Cool Wouldn't You Say?? I Do Agree Tho,Time Lords Dress Better...

DWF April 19 2014 12:42 AM

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The Doctor did use a time ring to go from Skaro to Nerva Beacon, it acted like a TARDIS without actually being a TARDIS.

starsuperion April 19 2014 04:37 PM

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DWF wrote: (Post 9489313)
The Doctor did use a time ring to go from Skaro to Nerva Beacon, it acted like a TARDIS without actually being a TARDIS.

The Time Ring Is Pretty Cool. I Wonder How It Works..

starsuperion April 21 2014 05:41 AM

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Captaindemotion wrote: (Post 9485335)
If only there were a regular poster on this board who'd written a book or two about Starfleet's Department of Temporal Investigations...

I would love to find out more on that! It would probably help with the Time Lords and their secrets.. though in Doctor who, particularly the Dalek hand book it does state that their is more then one way to time travel..

Captaindemotion April 21 2014 10:34 AM

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^ Christopher has written a couple of well-received books about the DTI. I'm surprised he hasn't contributed to this thread. Maybe someone should PM him and bring it to his attention.

starsuperion April 21 2014 09:24 PM

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Captaindemotion wrote: (Post 9496153)
^ Christopher has written a couple of well-received books about the DTI. I'm surprised he hasn't contributed to this thread. Maybe someone should PM him and bring it to his attention.

after work tonight, I will send him a PM, and see if he is interested. thanks for that btw. I also was interested in the depictions of the Time Travel co-ordinates from the Star Trek series. As it seems they resemble those in the doctor who series some what, which if they are very close, and I need to look at screen caps to see, would go a long way as to translating and understanding the Time Lord co-ordinate systems.

DWF April 22 2014 03:17 AM

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starsuperion wrote: (Post 9497647)
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Captaindemotion wrote: (Post 9496153)
^ Christopher has written a couple of well-received books about the DTI. I'm surprised he hasn't contributed to this thread. Maybe someone should PM him and bring it to his attention.

after work tonight, I will send him a PM, and see if he is interested. thanks for that btw. I also was interested in the depictions of the Time Travel co-ordinates from the Star Trek series. As it seems they resemble those in the doctor who series some what, which if they are very close, and I need to look at screen caps to see, would go a long way as to translating and understanding the Time Lord co-ordinate systems.


Good luck interpreting the numbers that the Dcotor told Eldrad to input into the TARDIS in The Hand Of Fear.

publiusr May 3 2014 09:11 PM

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YellowSubmarine wrote: (Post 9484099)
The 50th anniversary ends, and the two guys from the Department of Temporal Investigations come to question the Doctor.

Muldur: Doctor, why'd you travel back in time?
The Doctor: It was an accident.
Lucsly: So you're not contending it was a pre-destination paradox or a time loop? We hate hose.
The Doctor: Um... no. Although... There was the letter from the Queen...
Muldur: What letter from the Queen?
The Doctor: Oh, nothing... Nothing of historic importance anyway...
Muldur: Is that a joke?
The Doctor: No.
Lucsly: Good.
Muldur: We hate those too.
Lucsly: So - what happened?
The Doctor: The Moment came...
Muldur: The Moment?
Lucsly: It is a Time Lord schedule 5 temporal weapon. Gallifrey should have never been accepted in the Federation before destroying those.
The Doctor: Somebody had activated the Moment, and the fissure pulled me back to the Doctor and Elizabeth...
Muldur: The Elizabeth.
The Doctor: The one and only!
Lucsly: Seventeen separate temporal violations; the biggest file on record.
Muldur: The woman was a menace.
The Doctor: No, no, no, you've got it all wrong. You're thinking of... the infamous Captain Braxton and Agent Daniels.
Muldur: Who?
The Doctor: Can't tell you that.
Lucsly: Why not?
The Doctor: Temporal prime directive.

Priceless. I can just hear Matt Smith's voice there.


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