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Mr Pointy Ears March 22 2014 02:58 AM

Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
Im watching ds9 again to prepared for the oz comic con vist to Australia from nana and im notice things that I didn't think about ds9.i thought I were stupid ideaslike having sisko being half prophet,section 31 and of course ezri dax,what things didn't you like being written into ds9?.

Finn March 22 2014 03:19 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
First of all, yes you do have a right to have opinions like those. However, Sisko wasn't half prophet. He was full human. Sarah was just possessed by a Prophet when she got Chef Sisko to knock her up.

Bry_Sinclair March 22 2014 07:07 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
As Finn said, Sisko is 100% human.

I personally dislike Section 31, as its led to some pretty daft fanwank ideas about how to use it for future series, especially when its something so covert and secretive that only a handful of people know of its existence.

I don't get the hate about Ezri. She was a nice character and an interesting idea that helped give things another little shake up in S7. Yes, she was give a few episodes to develop and flesh out her character, but she didn't take over the series (like another female added to another Trek show). I personally would've liked the character to be male, just to have them really mess with the likes of Worf, Bashir and Quark.

Section 31 aside, there isn't anything I find "stupid" about DS9. There are things I would've liked to have seen, but a few little bits here and there that I'd have liked done differently, but (to me anyways) DS9 is Trek at its very best.

HIjol March 22 2014 07:26 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
^^agree with Bry, and I remembering us very affectionately referring to DS 9 as "Third World Star Trek"...can't think of a "stupid" thing, but there were some anomalies...never did like that rolling door, and had to be in the mood for Odo...

JaxsBrokenHeart March 22 2014 09:05 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
Not really stupid per say, but the generic characterization of Pah'Wraiths was disappointing and especially striking in a show that has arguably the most nuanced villain in the history of the series with Dukat. A group of non-corporeal beings who while very different from the Prophets, still had enough complexity and shades to the point where you could understand while some Bajorans would worship them would have been fascinating.

Especially when one considers the interesting stories one could have gotten with the likes of Kira, Sisko, Winn, and others confronting the faith in such beings vs. their own beliefs and experiences. Instead we got evil counterparts to the virtuous Prophets, with occasional demonic possession of the main characters. A lost opportunity in my view at least.

King Daniel Into Darkness March 22 2014 12:18 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
I can't remember the episode names, but Alex Sidding's acting in that season 1 episode where he was possessed was probably Trek's worst acting ever. Some of the alien hairstyles were embarrassing, like the refugee woman with the ridiculous tall hair and bad skin.

PaleMoonlight March 22 2014 03:04 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
I've always really liked the idea of Section 31, the whole "evolved sensibility" thing of TNG (which is at its strongest in the first 2 seasons I think) is good and everything, but its also good to see another side to it all. Even in the 2300s the saying "desperate times..." still applies.

DS9forever March 22 2014 04:09 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9388798)
I can't remember the episode names, but Alex Siddig's acting in that season 1 episode where he was possessed was probably Trek's worst acting ever.

"The Passenger". I think the problem stemmed from the dialogue looping/dubbing process the series used.

billcosby March 22 2014 06:00 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
Thinking Runabouts were enough to deliver the characters to the stories.
I still opine that this show starts when the Defiant arrives.

JirinPanthosa March 22 2014 06:19 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
The MU arc.
The genetically engineered folks.
Everything with Rom before they made him competent.
The FCA. The idea that the Ferengi have some central government authority that dictates how people can conduct business contradicts it otherwise being presented as a laissez-faire Ayn Rand-topia. DS9 did its best with Quark to de-cartoonify the Ferengi, but Brunt and the FCA always did their best to cartoon them back up again.

publiusr March 22 2014 09:26 PM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
Not talking to Quark when he wanted to sell weapons. As if Starfleet didn't have folks working on phasers themselves.

Hober Mallow March 23 2014 03:27 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
Odo can transform himself into the spitting image of a rat, but darned if he can't get a human face quite right. But that's okay, because his people have the same problem -- except when they don't.

I hated the Defiant when it first appeared. I thought it was an unnecessary concession to the idiot portion of the fanbase whose criticism of the show was that "it didn't go anywhere."

Jono March 23 2014 07:56 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
I wouldn't class these as "stupid", but things that could have been adjusted.

I don't think it was necessary for Erzi to be a main character. If you don't kill Dax you have to have it return, but I think they could have had an episode or two with a guest character and deal with the whole Dax is back stuff and get it out of the way. There is a gender imbalance, but the show had some strong female supporting characters who could have been given more prominence to help address that.

The seemingly forgotten point of Starfleet in the Bajor system was to get Bajor into the Federation. Would have liked to see/hear something regarding that towards the end. Best case, see Bajor join the Federation.

MU Vic...a step too far in an episode that was probably one too many visits to the MU.

Weyoun's comment Breen is a pleasant place. For some reason it made me roll my eyes when I heard it. The Breen are mysterious, we get it! Plus they seem terribly careless with their refrigeration suits. People were constantly stealing and wearing them.

Melakon March 23 2014 09:13 AM

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Jono wrote: (Post 9391759)
. . .an episode that was probably one too many visits to the MU.

Though it did produce my favorite exchange in the episode--

Mirror Ezri: I'm trying to save your lives.
Zek: That's a very worthy goal!

The Old Mixer March 24 2014 02:33 AM

Re: Things you thought were stupid on ds9.
 
The Ferengi stuff could get a bit too OTT for the rest of the show, but I took the bad with the good....

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 9388423)
I personally would've liked the character to be male, just to have them really mess with the likes of Worf, Bashir and Quark.

You know...I never thought of that, but that could have been a very interesting idea. Be a little more daring and take things out of the comfort zone a bit....

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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9389221)
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 9388798)
I can't remember the episode names, but Alex Siddig's acting in that season 1 episode where he was possessed was probably Trek's worst acting ever.

"The Passenger". I think the problem stemmed from the dialogue looping/dubbing process the series used.

Oh, good lord! I just rewatched Season 1 for the first time in years, and he was absolutely HORRIBLE. I kept trying to "get" what he was doing, and it never clicked...it was just crap acting.


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