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ZapBrannigan March 6 2014 05:56 AM

On-Screen Documents
 
There were several cases of on-screen documents in Star Trek that we can read now thanks to HD screen caps:
  • "Where No Man..." - Psych and ESP evaluations.
  • "Where No Man..." - Spinoza's Ethics.
  • "Mudd's Women" - Harry's police record.
  • "The Menagerie" - Mendez's report on Talos IV.
When the show first aired, people watched it on CRT sets, meaning low resolution and no ability to take freeze frames. Nobody was ever supposed to read these things. So it's surprising and a little lucky that the docs were created as sincerely as they were. The content is pretty good, though not perfect. It could have been a total joke.

There have been times when I was watching one-hour dramas produced in the 2000s, and I would freeze the DVR whenever they showed a newspaper article. This was especially fun when HDTV was a novelty. Very often I'd see the first few lines of text were true to the episode, and the rest would be either gibberish or sometimes those same lines repeated over and over. Star Trek didn't take that shortcut despite coming from an era when nobody would know. :bolian:

Metryq March 6 2014 12:08 PM

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You mean some of those other shows inserted Lorem Ipsum? Cicero in the 23rd century.

ZapBrannigan March 6 2014 01:10 PM

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I've never seen actual Latin used, but non-Trek on-screen docs are often dummied up. :)

Robert Comsol March 6 2014 01:29 PM

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ZapBrannigan wrote: (Post 9327055)
So it's surprising and a little lucky that the docs were created as sincerely as they were. The content is pretty good, though not perfect. It could have been a total joke.

But Gene Roddenberry's credo had been to make it feel as real as possible, especially in the 1960's.

I think these on-screen documents are a nice testament to that and put the actors in the "right" mood in a manner of speaking (e.g. Bill Shatner reading "my" report on Talos IV, obviously not something that would make an actor crack up and start to laugh in the middle of shooting).

It's a little pity they didn't continue this kind of earnestness in TNG, now that the remastering in HD reveals all these little insike jokes, both the silly and the better ones.

Bob

Metryq March 6 2014 03:02 PM

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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9327727)
It's a little pity they didn't continue this kind of earnestness in TNG, now that the remastering in HD reveals all these little insike jokes, both the silly and the better ones.

Back in the '60s the idea of home video was unheard of. By the time TNG rolled around, home video was commonplace. One would expect the later producers to be even more conscientious about freeze-frame details. But then again, maybe some of the next generation prop creators were hoping this stuff would be seen and noticed one day.

(With today's technology, one could seamlessly insert or remove anything during "remastering"—cover up continuity errors and other blunders, etc. Ben Finney strikes again!)

plynch March 6 2014 03:17 PM

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Commodore Comsol, I never knew the significance of your name. Neat.

Mr. Laser Beam March 6 2014 04:16 PM

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^ Actually isn't the "real" Comsol supposed to be the head Admiral of the fleet? The document says "Commanding officer", but it doesn't say of what. I thought this implied that Comsol was the big cheese, so to speak.

Shawnster March 6 2014 04:40 PM

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I like the 23rd Century racism.

Quote:

Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock

RandyS March 6 2014 05:25 PM

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Shawnster wrote: (Post 9328315)
I like the 23rd Century racism.

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Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock

I don't understand. It was simply a way of identifiyng Spock (That IS your objection, yes?). How is that racism?

HIjol March 6 2014 05:40 PM

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...and, along with the documents, there was a insistent fidelity to how the controls were designed to work...from "Inside Star Trek" to some of the cast biographies to interviews, there have been many recountings of fans writing in to note that Uhuru pushed the wrong button for "opening hailing frequencies", or that Sulu adjusted the ship's chronometer when he meant to take the ship to warp...even the actors recounted some of these stories with respectful amusement...a true testament to some of the points made above... ;)

King Daniel Into Darkness March 6 2014 05:46 PM

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RandyS wrote: (Post 9328423)
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Shawnster wrote: (Post 9328315)
I like the 23rd Century racism.

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Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock

I don't understand. It was simply a way of identifiyng Spock (That IS your objection, yes?). How is that racism?

To put it in Earthican terms, 'Black Communications Officer Uhura' sounds particularly nasty, especially when Pike wasn't 'Caucasian Captain Pike'

mb22 March 6 2014 05:59 PM

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Perhaps there might be some reason to identify the biological origin of the 'signer' to show that the Talosian illusions didn't only affect humans. Any other "in-universe" ideas why this might be done?

HIjol March 6 2014 06:01 PM

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...hmmm...Human-Raised Adopted Child Klingon Worf son of Mogh...

Mr. Laser Beam March 6 2014 06:06 PM

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RandyS wrote: (Post 9328423)
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Shawnster wrote: (Post 9328315)
I like the 23rd Century racism.

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Captain Christopher Pike
Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock

I don't understand. It was simply a way of identifiyng Spock (That IS your objection, yes?). How is that racism?

Because it's irrelevant that Spock is half human. Couldn't they just have given his rank?

scotpens March 6 2014 06:33 PM

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^^ I never noticed until just now that the document we see on screen refers to Spock as "half-Vulcan." I suppose a human-Vulcan hybrid, especially one serving in Starfleet, was a rarity and worth noting. In any case, no one at the time thought it was "racist."


Here's the insert shot of the file Mendez gives Kirk to look at in "The Menagerie" . . .

http://www.hostpic.org/images/1403062256330110.jpg


. . . and here are the magazine cover and car advertisement created for "Bread and Circuses." That's quite a bit of work for something that was seen on-screen for about 2 seconds.

http://www.hostpic.org/images/1403062257080114.jpg


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