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foxhot March 5 2014 02:44 PM

If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
.....which shows might he have improved upon? (Even including the classics.) How would he have put his particular twists on the third year shows, which often needed improvement? Those who have read his short stories ''Prowler in the City'' and ''I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream'' as well as ''The City on the Edge of Forever'' could conceivably go to town with this topic.

Vandervecken March 5 2014 04:03 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
Ellison would still have been constrained to hit the reset button, though, for a tv show in the 60s, and his best stories generally don't end too well, for at least some people.

But I'll give it a go. In "A Taste of Armageddon," the Eminiarans and Vendicarans would have utterly annihilated themselves in short order, proving that their solution of unending war by computer and disintegration chamber really was the best solution for them, and that Kirk was a short-sighted meddler.

In "This Side of Paradise," there would have been mass suicides on Omicron Ceti 3 after the spores had been counteracted.

Devil in the Dark--The Horta and her children would tunnel, but momma Horta would have demanded pay, and probably OT. The Horta is smart; she'd have understood that she'd need wealth to begin to, perhaps, hire lobbyists to work on members of the Federation Council, possibly to get some Horta among colonists to other worlds.

And as soon as she demanded fair pay, the pergium miners would have all gotten Mark 2 phasers and killed them all.

Redfern March 5 2014 10:21 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
D*mn! That's cold! But that does "feel" like Ellison, or, at least like our expectations of him.

Sincerely,

Bill

teacake March 5 2014 10:55 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
Spock, mind melded with the Horta: The altar of tomorrow! Murderers! Stop them. Kill! Strike back! Monsters! I have no mouth but.. I.. must.. scream!

CrazyMatt March 6 2014 05:19 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...

Given the time he took to work on "City," the entire TOS would have consisted of about eight episodes.

Harvey March 7 2014 05:33 AM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
They would have been magnificent episodes, though...

Green Shirt March 7 2014 01:36 PM

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CrazyMatt wrote: (Post 9328411)
If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...

Given the time he took to work on "City," the entire TOS would have consisted of about eight episodes.


Yeah, those eight episodes would have been in the form of a miniseries spread out over a number of years. :devil:

TREK_GOD_1 March 7 2014 02:31 PM

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If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
...TOS would have lasted half of a season...if that long.

BillJ March 7 2014 02:43 PM

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If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
We likely wouldn't be here talking about it today.

Jonas Grumby March 7 2014 04:06 PM

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CrazyMatt wrote: (Post 9328411)
If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...

Given the time he took to work on "City," the entire TOS would have consisted of about eight episodes.

Four of which would still be tied up in litigation. :D

trevanian March 7 2014 05:56 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
... they'd've all still gotten rewritten, after he was cutoff. Look at STARLOST if you dare ...

I don't imagine the whole 'these guys are in a big fleet' aspect would capture his fancy for too long, he'd probably be more interested in an unaffiliated aspect of the universe, maybe working class space guys, folks trying to get by without near-infinite magic box tech or big guns on a mighty ship. I know I wish TREK had gone that way after SFS, and that the DS9 followup had been about Maquis in AlphaQuad rather than the VOYAGER thing they did.

Essentially, I think he'd be more interested in BLAKE'S SEVEN than TREK in any of its incarnations.

sonak March 7 2014 06:02 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
I don't think, given what we know of his efforts on COTEOF, that his "vision" for Star Trek would have been the same as the vision of the actual show that we got. It would have been a darker, more cynical series. Better? who knows

Timewalker March 7 2014 06:11 PM

Re: If Harlan Ellison had written ALL the TOS episodes...
 
There would have been far fewer novels and other tie-in merchandise, 'cause he would have wanted $$$$$$ for anything remotely based on what he wrote.

plynch March 7 2014 06:13 PM

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Vandervecken wrote: (Post 9323770)
But I'll give it a go. In "A Taste of Armageddon," the Eminiarans and Vendicarans would have utterly annihilated themselves in short order, proving that their solution of unending war by computer and disintegration chamber really was the best solution for them, and that Kirk was a short-sighted meddler.

Far better show, though it's one I am fond of.

Vandervecken March 7 2014 06:33 PM

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plynch wrote: (Post 9332479)
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Vandervecken wrote: (Post 9323770)
But I'll give it a go. In "A Taste of Armageddon," the Eminiarans and Vendicarans would have utterly annihilated themselves in short order, proving that their solution of unending war by computer and disintegration chamber really was the best solution for them, and that Kirk was a short-sighted meddler.

Far better show, though it's one I am fond of.

I love this episode, too. The conversations between Anan 7 and Kirk in Anan's personal chambers and then in the Council chamber are among the best in TOS, or all Trek. David Opatoshu was awesome, and Shatner was in fine form.


ANAN: Don't you understand, Captain? We have done away with all that. Now you are threatening to bring it down on us again. Are those five hundred people of yours more important than the hundreds of millions of innocent people on Eminiar and Vendikar? What kind of monster are you?
KIRK: I'm a barbarian. You said it yourself.
ANAN: I had hoped I'd spoken only figuratively.
KIRK: Oh, no. You were quite accurate. I plan to prove it to you.
ANAN: Open a channel to the Enterprise. You give me no choice, Captain. We are not bandits, but you force us to act as bandits.

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Kirk's "I'm a barbarian. You said it yourself." is absolutely one of my favorite lines in the whole series.


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