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Wadjda March 3 2014 08:18 AM

Star Wars Sith-centric spinoff
 
With a dark side protagonist
Would Disney have the cojones to ever do something like that.
I would prefer Sith vs Sith action instead of them killing heroes.
If so who should direct?

I have 3 candidates:

Lu Chuan, he is wonderful at portraying complex power relations.

Te-Sheng Wei who managed to portray the opressors of his natiion in a very nuanced way in Seediq Bale.

Paul Verhoeven who just loves bringing human evil to the big screen.

Discuss, suggest...

Venardhi March 3 2014 08:32 AM

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What exactly are we rooting for then? The Sith are evil. They aren't anti-heroes. They aren't misunderstood. Is it a revenge flick? Darth Castaside goes after Darth Master and Darth Newrecruit after being left for dead? In that case he has to be somewhat redeemed, he has to be worth rooting for.

But no, the answer is no. Not a chance in all the galaxies no matter how long, long ago. Disney is never making that movie.

Wadjda March 3 2014 11:37 AM

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What exactly are we rooting for then? The Sith are evil. They aren't anti-heroes.
They can still be fascinating. Who were you rooting for in Reservoir Dogs?

It's not like there is no demand for it:

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CW had at least 2 arcs with dark siders as protagonists.

Mr Light March 3 2014 01:36 PM

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Darth Plageuis would make for a pretty cool movie, but it's pretty cerebral without that much action. It would play more like a tv show than a big budget movie.

Ancient Mariner March 3 2014 06:42 PM

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DDD...D Unit wrote: (Post 9314584)
With a dark side protagonist

Yeah ... it's called Star Wars - Episodes I - VI, with the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader as the central character. :p

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I say the above in jest, but if you were to make a story about a Dark Side character you would have to spend a whole lot of time, as Venardhi, says, creating a character worthy of redemption. The closest Star Wars has gotten to this, outside of Anakin, is Ventress in The Clone Wars. But that was a long story arc, spanning several seasons - and she was not only cast out of the Sith, she renounced it fully. Unless you're planning a major revision of what we know, the Sith are, by definition, single-mindedly evil and power hungry. Once could argue that Dooku was using the Sith as a means to an ideological end ... but then I would argue that the means are an indicator of good vs. evil.

Wadjda March 3 2014 09:53 PM

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Or you can just make a tragedy.

Ancient Mariner March 3 2014 11:33 PM

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They did. Its called: Revenge of the Sith

Wadjda March 3 2014 11:57 PM

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We deserve a better tragedy than that.

Ancient Mariner March 4 2014 12:07 AM

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That's arguable, at least. But it doesn't make sense to ignore the fact that Star Wars already has six movies "with a dark side protagonist" - telling the story of a character who grows up to become a Sith - a monster - and is then redeemed. Regardless of your opinion about RotS, it's a film that cannot happen in a vacuum. Its tragedy is in how the youthfully innocent Anakin succumbs to power and evil and ends up slaughtering innocent youths (among countless others). That's pretty damn tragic, if you ask me. But it has no impact at all if you don't know who Anakin is and where he's come from (the previous episodes) or find out what happens to him afterward, as a result of his descent into evil (the subsequent episodes).

Mister Fandango March 4 2014 12:11 AM

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I wouldn't mind seeing a story about a Sith who isn't corrupted and relies on the light side of the force. I mean, there's nothing inherently "evil" about their code, they've just philosophically opposed to the Jedi.

Jedi != Light, just like Sith != Dark.

Ancient Mariner March 4 2014 12:24 AM

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Mister Fandango wrote: (Post 9317353)
there's nothing inherently "evil" about their code,

Of course there is. Their code begins by rejecting peace. Their ultimate aim, according to the code, is "freedom", but it's only achieved through conflict, which gives them strength, power and victory. And what, then, do they do with their victorious strength, power and freedom? Why, seek more conflict, of course (because peace is a lie). It's a predatory code based on pure selfishness and survival of the strongest, most cunning, most powerful without regard to anyone or anything else.

Yeah, nothing inherently evil there ... :lol:

Wadjda March 4 2014 12:26 AM

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Ancient Mariner wrote: (Post 9317335)
That's arguable, at least. But it doesn't make sense to ignore the fact that Star Wars already has six movies "with a dark side protagonist" - telling the story of a character who grows up to become a Sith - a monster - and is then redeemed. Regardless of your opinion about RotS, it's a film that cannot happen in a vacuum. Its tragedy is in how the youthfully innocent Anakin succumbs to power and evil and ends up slaughtering innocent youths (among countless others). That's pretty damn tragic, if you ask me. But it has no impact at all if you don't know who Anakin is and where he's come from (the previous episodes) or find out what happens to him afterward, as a result of his descent into evil (the subsequent episodes).

There is so much stuff going on besides that and it does not have the atmosphere of a tragedy maybe up till the 2nd half of ROTS.

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Mister Fandango wrote: (Post 9317353)
I wouldn't mind seeing a story about a Sith who isn't corrupted and relies on the light side of the force. I mean, there's nothing inherently "evil" about their code, they've just philosophically opposed to the Jedi.

Jedi != Light, just like Sith != Dark.

A Sith has to use the dark side in order to be accepted as such by the audience.

Mister Fandango March 4 2014 01:08 AM

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Ancient Mariner wrote: (Post 9317449)
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Mister Fandango wrote: (Post 9317353)
there's nothing inherently "evil" about their code,

Of course there is. Their code begins by rejecting peace.

They're not rejecting that kind of peace. They're rejecting the type of peace the Jedi practice; removing all passion and emotion from their lives. Hence the second part of that line.

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Their ultimate aim, according to the code, is "freedom", but it's only achieved through conflict, which gives them strength, power and victory.
Conflict isn't a part of the code itself, that's your interpretation of it, not an actual part of it.

The strength their gaining is strength of control over the Force, hence it coming from passion which they gain by rejecting serenity. The power they gain from that allows them to defeat their enemies -- who, again, do not have to be the "good guys;" after all, the Jedi fight the Sith all the time, as well as anyone who rejects their philosophy. And through the victory they gain over those that would suppress them -- you know, like slaveowners throughout history, the Americans versus the British, and countless other examples -- they gain the freedom everyone desires.

Again, the code itself isn't evil just like the Jedi code isn't good as there are tons of examples of dark and evil Jedi. Also again, it's just like Jedi can call upon and rely on the dark side of the Force just like the Sith can call upon and rely on the light side.

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Yeah, nothing inherently evil there ... :lol:
I know.

clint g March 4 2014 01:14 AM

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I'd watch it. As a mater of fact, I'm more interested in a Sith movie than what we will probably get ;)

Ancient Mariner March 4 2014 01:48 AM

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Mister Fandango wrote: (Post 9317641)
Again, the code itself isn't evil just like the Jedi code isn't good as there are tons of examples of dark and evil Jedi.

No question there's inherent evil and conflict in the Code. If "peace is a lie" and "there is only passion," then there is no reason and there's nothing but conflict. You yourself say, "The power they gain from that allows them to defeat their enemies." It's about establishing dominance.

Besides, what do you think happens when a Jedi turns "evil" or "dark"? It's a rejection of peace (inner and outer) and an embrace of selfishness, conflict, strength, and the power to achieve the personal freedom to do whatever they want, without regard to the freedom of others. That's the very core of the Sith Code, as it's been posted.

And please, framing the Sith as "freedom fighters" who just what "the freedom everyone desires" (like Americans versus British or emancipation from slavery) is a pretty silly thing to say. The Sith only want personal freedom. The Sith have no problems subjugating others to their will in their efforts to achieve the absolute freedom to do whatever their own strength and power will allow them to do. There's nothing in there about freedom for others (because granting freedom to others would mean giving up a bit of their own personal freedom - it's the whole reason why even "free societies" require laws).


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