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Levi February 28 2014 07:27 PM

Question about uniform changes
 
I just watched DS9 EP11 (homefront) and EP12 (paradise lost).

I was under the impression that Starfleet uniforms changed over time. We see the uniforms change several times, in the movies I believe. When new uniforms are created we see the new ones being implemented and old ones slowly phased out.
On DS9, they wear the Color designation on the shoulders with the greyish blue turtlenecks.
But in the episodes I mentioned, when Sisko returns to Earth, they change back into TNG era uniforms.

Why do they change back to these uniforms?

Are there different uniforms for different area's of service? I thought the only difference in uniforms was color designation. I know that with so many personnel in StarFleet they can't get everyone into new uniforms right away it takes time to phase them in, but I would think StarFleet Command would have had the new uniforms by this time!
I even gave thought to maybe Ship uniforms differ from Station uniforms, but DS9 and Voyager are the same. And TNG and the ones in these episodes on Earth are the same.

So, what is the significance of wearing different styles of uniforms?


*I posted this in DS9 forums since I watched it in DS9. Sorry if this should go somewhere else.

King Daniel Into Darkness February 28 2014 07:36 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
I figure the TNG style uni's are "smart" dress for Earth. The DS9 ones were originally designed to evoke dirty work overalls, after all.

Why they suddenly became the norm for Voyager and Generations, though...

Bad Thoughts February 28 2014 07:37 PM

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Levi wrote: (Post 9304276)
I just watched DS9 EP11 (homefront) and EP12 (paradise lost).

I was under the impression that Starfleet uniforms changed over time. We see the uniforms change several times, in the movies I believe. When new uniforms are created we see the new ones being implemented and old ones slowly phased out.
On DS9, they wear the Color designation on the shoulders with the greyish blue turtlenecks.
But in the episodes I mentioned, when Sisko returns to Earth, they change back into TNG era uniforms.



Why do they change back to these uniforms?

Are there different uniforms for different area's of service? I thought the only difference in uniforms was color designation. I know that with so many personnel in StarFleet they can't get everyone into new uniforms right away it takes time to phase them in, but I would think StarFleet Command would have had the new uniforms by this time!
I even gave thought to maybe Ship uniforms differ from Station uniforms, but DS9 and Voyager are the same. And TNG and the ones in these episodes on Earth are the same.

So, what is the significance of wearing different styles of uniforms?


*I posted this in DS9 forums since I watched it in DS9. Sorry if this should go somewhere else.

I think it is meant to represent the nature of the posting. Both uniform styles existed at the same time in the Trek universe, with TNG maintaining the torso colors while DS9 had the shoulder colors. I've heard that the torso colors were more formal, more of a sense of representing the Federation on a larger scale, while the should colors suggested less formal posting. You should note that Voyager used shoulder colors as well, and its mission was not as diplomatic as Enterprise's.

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Why they suddenly became the norm for Voyager and Generations, though...
I don't know about you, but the TNG uniformed looked a lot like sweatpants to me.

Levi February 28 2014 07:42 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
But then why does the Enterprise change to the same uniforms from DS9 and Voyager? In the Generations movie I believe.

Though it does make sense with certain uniforms, like the TNG era ones, being more of a formal type and the DS9/Voy being a more work style.
But some ways that doesn't make sense with the way they use and place them throughout different series/movies.

I had even thought maybe it was just something that the writers or whomever didn't give much thought to. But then it seems like they did this change for a fairly certain reason.

PaleMoonlight February 28 2014 08:06 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
I always though (and read somewhere) that the uniform in DS9 were because they were on a starbase. That doesn't explain VOY though

Sran February 28 2014 10:46 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
This question comes up a lot. It seems like the TNG style was appropriate for Earth, but officers stationed on starships or starbases could wear whatever the commanding officer thought was appropriate for the setting. It's not unlike professional sports teams wearing alternate uniforms on special days (Sunday day games, for instance).

--Sran

Mr. Laser Beam February 28 2014 11:47 PM

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Sran wrote: (Post 9305155)
It seems like the TNG style was appropriate for Earth, but officers stationed on starships or starbases could wear whatever the commanding officer thought was appropriate for the setting.

Yes, I think this is how it works on modern day US Navy vessels, for example. They have the 'uniform of the day', which is basically whatever the captain says it is.

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It's not unlike professional sports teams wearing alternate uniforms on special days (Sunday day games, for instance).
Or the 1979 Pirates, who wore whatever Willie Stargell wanted. :techman:

DS9forever March 1 2014 01:01 AM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
Sisko, Bashir and Dax all wore the TNG style uniforms when they arrived on DS9 in "Emissary".

od0_ital March 1 2014 04:32 AM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
^

Chief O'Brien wore the TNG style when he returned to the Enterprise-D in 'Emissary', as well.

Though ya gotta wonder why he would beam out from a docked ship...

As for the uniform changes...durin' TNG, the first/second season style uniforms were still in use durin' the third & fourth seasons 'til the new version became the standard for everyone.

The same may be true for the DS9 style - it was added to the uniform options and was slowly phased in as the standard over time. It would easily explain why both styles were used in GEN, and why VOY had it, while Sisko used it when he returned to Earth.

Sran March 2 2014 10:55 PM

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od0_ital wrote: (Post 9306304)
Though ya gotta wonder why he would beam out from a docked ship...

I think that was a symbolic gesture given that he was leaving the ship for the last time. So much of his work aboard the Enterprise involved maintaining the transporters, so it was only fitting that he officially left the ship that way. It was also nice of Picard to see him off the way he did.

--Sran

bbjeg March 2 2014 11:18 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
It could be etiquette. TNG style uniforms for earth and exploration, white uniforms for dress occasions, black-bodied color-shoulders for mission based operations, and grey shoulders for war.

Campe98 March 2 2014 11:22 PM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
The idea was that the DS9 jumpsuits were Class B's... Since they were on a dirty, hardly functioning Cardassian monstrosity (which I love), they needed to be okay with getting their hands dirty. My thought about Generations was that Picard finally loosened up and let them wear some Class B's. I'm totally baffled as to why DS9 suddenly changed to the Class A's from the TNG movies First Contact on. But I liked it. As for Voyager wearing the DS9 Class B's... Well, how much actually made sense on that show anyway? Plus, come on, with as much holographic power they used (separate power grid... please) and shuttles they replicated, they totally could have gotten the FC uniforms too after getting in touch with the Alpha Quadrant.

Sran March 3 2014 12:32 AM

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Campe98 wrote: (Post 9312763)
The idea was that the DS9 jumpsuits were Class B's... Since they were on a dirty, hardly functioning Cardassian monstrosity (which I love), they needed to be okay with getting their hands dirty. My thought about Generations was that Picard finally loosened up and let them wear some Class B's. I'm totally baffled as to why DS9 suddenly changed to the Class A's from the TNG movies First Contact on. But I liked it. As for Voyager wearing the DS9 Class B's... Well, how much actually made sense on that show anyway? Plus, come on, with as much holographic power they used (separate power grid... please) and shuttles they replicated, they totally could have gotten the FC uniforms too after getting in touch with the Alpha Quadrant.

My theory is that Starfleet Command decided it was time for a more... uniform stance on uniforms and did away with the TNG and DS9 variations in favor of the black and gray look.

--Sran

2takesfrakes March 3 2014 12:45 AM

Re: Question about uniform changes
 
The United States Navy has an absurd number of uniforms styles - five, at least - and they are updating each version of those, at least annually. They are always sending out questionaires to sailors about them, because they genuinely want them to be comfortable and for the sailors to feel proud wearing them. It is not at all unrealistic to think that STARFLEET would've done the same, but I don't really care for the uniform patterns from DS9 onwards. I thought the turtleneck dickies or whatever they're called looked really bad. Honestly, I'm a big fan of the original uniforms seen in TNG's first 2 seasons. I would've been happy if they kept that.

Levi March 3 2014 04:35 AM

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2takesfrakes wrote: (Post 9313129)
...Honestly, I'm a big fan of the original uniforms seen in TNG's first 2 seasons. I would've been happy if they kept that.

I know a few people who really liked those ones as well. I didn't mind them, but my favorite was the later TNG style uniform. I was sad when they (i had thought anyways) switched over to the Voyager style. But eventually, I was happy with the Grey tone jacket over the colored coveralls (or whatever).


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