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inline79 February 18 2014 06:23 AM

Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
Dear Treknicals,

Please excuse my noob first post, but I assure you this is not my first computer, or first time on this inter-web-net thing, or even on a "BBS" <places feet on 1200baud modem footrest>.

What I do have for you all is a gift - something that only this group could appreciate. It's an "illustrated" Technical Manual for a shuttle design I did some 17 years ago but never published til now. I say "illustrated", but to call my drawings "crude" would be a compliment.

I'm not 100% sure though how you guys like to receive this sort of thing. I have it in a pdf for you here:
https://app.box.com/s/evk1iispa90s6guatd06
but free accounts only get 10GB bandwidth per month, so only 16,339 of you can download this per month (assuming 1GB = 1,000,000kb). :)

Anyways, I will post the first few paragraphs to whet your appetite, then sit back and watch it get torn to shreds. But please, go easy on me as apparently I have to get to 50 posts before I can respond to your ridicule via PM!


PS. Stardate is 51010.


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1.0 Introduction

The Federation is at war.

Dominion invasion of the Alpha Quadrant is imminent and starship production has not kept up with front line losses, especially after the Klingon skirmishes and while the fleet is still rebuilding after Wolf 359. Creating more shipyards is too long-term of an answer. In order to immediately defend the United Federation of Planets (“the Federation”), Starfleet needs to close this strategic gap while still being able to remain true to its original mission.

Difficult as it may be to recall in these times, that original mission of Starfleet is as a means for the Federation to conduct space exploration, scientific discovery, and interstellar diplomacy. Defense is only a secondary mandate. This would seem to be at odds with the current situation. How can Starfleet protect the innocent citizens of the Federation against the Dominion without appearing to become a military?

The Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (LAMPS) concept is one answer.

This document outlines the progress to date of the LAMPS concept and describes key advantages to Starfleet adopting it for mass production.

Albertese February 18 2014 04:35 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
Well, I just scrolled through it real quick without actually reading any of it. But the art-work isn't terrible... except for the one-legged stick man. I kinda hate him. I want the "scale figure" to have a more substantial silhouette.

Elsewise it could be promising. I'll have to read it someday, when I have more time.

--Alex

Mytran February 19 2014 08:11 AM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
I quickly read this and it seems a well-researched "what if" article. Just one quick thought - is it really sitting room only? That could make for some uncomfortable multi-day journeys/missions!

inline79 February 22 2014 05:08 AM

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Mytran wrote: (Post 9264730)
I quickly read this and it seems a well-researched "what if" article. Just one quick thought - is it really sitting room only? That could make for some uncomfortable multi-day journeys/missions!

Think more F-16 Falcon, less Dassault Falcon(an executive jet). But i think multi-day journeys even in a Class 6 Shuttle would be painful - i'd rather be in stasis!

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Albertese wrote: (Post 9261622)
Well, I just scrolled through it real quick without actually reading any of it. But the art-work isn't terrible... except for the one-legged stick man. I kinda hate him. I want the "scale figure" to have a more substantial silhouette.

--Alex

If you know of an "open-source" starfleet personnel sillouette, i'd love to use it instead of Lt. Schtick!

Bernard Guignard February 23 2014 10:43 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
The Sketchup Wharehouse has both 2D TOS and TNG Figures
that you could possibly do a bit map copy and paste with. Worth
a try Nice concept by the way :)

Here's a couple of links for an idea
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...prevstart=1332

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...prevstart=2184

Shat Happens March 1 2014 12:41 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
I kinda liked the stick figure. Reminds me of xkcd.

As for the craft, I liked it. I just have trouble it conciling the top/bottom with the side view. I'd sure like to see it in 3D.

Also I don't believe in one-nacelled ships, but that's me.

publiusr March 2 2014 11:42 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
I love it myself. How about non Excelsior refit follow ons?

inline79 March 16 2014 06:41 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
Thanks for the links to Sketchup!

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Shat Happens wrote: (Post 9307048)
I kinda liked the stick figure. Reminds me of xkcd.

As for the craft, I liked it. I just have trouble it conciling the top/bottom with the side view. I'd sure like to see it in 3D.

Also I don't believe in one-nacelled ships, but that's me.

Yeah, it's a strange shape, I wish I had the motivation to learn a 3D program and make it all nice like you see on the Trek Art forum. I'm an engineer, not an artist! I can make it work, but not look good!

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publiusr wrote: (Post 9312877)
I love it myself. How about non Excelsior refit follow ons?

What's "non Excelsior refit"?

publiusr March 16 2014 09:51 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
Imagine what the NCC-1701 B might look like if there was never an Excelsior.

A follow on to Probert's ship, with a somewhat wider saucer and a Balson type secondary hull. I'd love to see one with cranked nacelle supports.

USS Triumphant March 16 2014 09:53 PM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
I just read through it, liked it a lot, even the stick figure. One question, though:

"Voyager was still good" - So was this concept intended for a parallel universe er sumtin? :devil:

1200 baud. Feh. Git off mah lawn. ;)

inline79 March 23 2014 09:41 PM

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USS Triumphant wrote: (Post 9366295)
I just read through it, liked it a lot, even the stick figure. One question, though:

"Voyager was still good" - So was this concept intended for a parallel universe er sumtin? :devil:

1200 baud. Feh. Git off mah lawn. ;)

Heh, interesting you should mention that because after writing the foreword in August I decided to go back and actually watch every single VOY ep from the beginning. Partly to re-immerse myself in Federation tech for this writeup, but also to actually be able to pass my own judgement on it.

I admit that now, mostly through Season 3, things are very enjoyable though I haven't yet reached the stardate of this concept. However, from a technical perspective Voyager is basically frozen or an alternate timeline..

zDarby March 27 2014 12:23 AM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
I would like to say I genuinely enjoyed reading this. I especially appreciated the idea of using warp sustainers for dirrctional control at warp. (I hope that's what you were saying, cause that's what I understood.)

And I'd like to incourage you to create a write up on the political and technical reasons why the Paragrin was chosen over this design. I'd also enjoy reading a technical manual, if you decide to write one.

No promisses, but I might make a 3d model/sketch of this design, if you don't mind.

In conclusion: Good on ya, mate! :techman:
(Aw, crap! My spell check is on the fritz... )

inline79 March 31 2014 05:46 AM

Re: Light Armoured Multi-Purpose Shuttlecraft (Fighter) Tech Manual
 
zDarby,

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Ah, someone who actually gets warp propulson...

Yes, pairs of nacelles are supposedly the "best" for maneuverability and energy efficiency (see TNG Tech Manual). So I figured warp sustainers could also do the same job (that is, steer)... but I point out that it won't do it as well. This I think is fine because the role of this craft isn't to do airshow tricks at warp anyways - it's to get from one side of the star system to another ASAP to beat the crap out of whoever is there (or deliver medical aid, if it's a friendly system).

If you happen to do some 3D work with this, you have my complete blessing, attention, and support.

As for a tech manual... you mean you want to see even more detail than this?!?

So on the story of the Peregrine. I mean, there's some debate over what the Peregrine actually is:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar.../peregrine.htm
But I have my own ideas. Perhaps a short story some day.

Thanks for the encouragement!


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