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DS9forever February 16 2014 05:05 PM

Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.

Lance February 16 2014 06:27 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
Seven probably didn't want to ever try and 'forget' what happened to her. She probably instructed the crew to respect her wishes on that as well. She ceased to be Annika the moment the Borg assimilated her, and even though she has kinda sorta "become" Annika again after she joins Voyager, she hasn't *really*.

Kinda like, um, the old Tarzan story. Just cause he's human and was brought up by apes doesn't mean he stops being an ape just because human 'civilization' rediscovered him. He's basically more ape than human. Or something.

In a coldly logical sense, I guess what I'm saying is that Seven "was" Annika, but even post-post-assimilation she "is" Seven Of Nine. Although maybe maybe she should have more accurately changed her title to 141 of 141 to reflect her new position in the 'collective' of Voyager's crew. Or even One Of One, given she's an individual now (and therefore the one-and-only member of her own singular 'collective').

Identity is a funny thing, ain't it.

Count February 16 2014 09:08 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
Janeway offered, but Seven declined it saying that "Annika didn't exist". She then suggested to Seven that her whole designation was a bit of a mouthful and suggested shortening it to just Seven.

I think this discussion took place in either "The Gift" or "Day of Honour".

Finn February 16 2014 09:16 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9253930)
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.


Yes, Deanna and Ezri would have gone for it, even if they thought it was a bad idea. Good therapists wouldn't force anything unless really necessary.

Guy Gardener February 16 2014 09:42 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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NEELIX: Annika? Annika Hansen.
SEVEN: There is no one here by that name.
NEELIX: Are you sure, because I have a letter here addressed to her. I never realised you knew anyone from the Alpha quadrant.
SEVEN: I don't.
NEELIX: Well, it looks like someone knows you. Who's it from.
SEVEN: Claudia Hansen. She claims to be a sister of my father.
NEELIX: Your aunt.
SEVEN: She is looking forward to meeting me.
NEELIX: That's great. Starfleet's appointed me Ambassador to the Lan'Tuana sector.
SEVEN: Ambassador.
NEELIX: I guess they thought I'd have a flair for quadrupeds.
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JANEWAY: Seven of Nine, you told me you wouldn't make any more attempts to contact the Borg. I want to believe that is true.
SEVEN: I assure you it is.
JANEWAY: I've decided not to post a security detail while you're in Engineering, but you have to realise there are rules. You'll be expected to follow our protocols. You'll report directly to Lieutenant Torres and obey any order she gives you.
SEVEN: I understand.
JANEWAY: One more thing. Your designation, Seven of Nine. It's a little cumbersome. Wouldn't you prefer to be called by your given name, Annika?
SEVEN: I have been Seven of Nine for as long as I can remember.
JANEWAY: All right, but maybe we could streamline it a little. How would you feel about Seven.
SEVEN: Imprecise, but acceptable.
TUVOK [OC]: Tuvok to Captain Janeway.
JANEWAY: Yes, Tuvok.
Seven of Nine was her Slave Name.

I guess that that's not such an awful stigma for this lady.

teacake February 16 2014 10:55 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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Finn wrote: (Post 9254707)
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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9253930)
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.


Yes, Deanna and Ezri would have gone for it, even if they thought it was a bad idea. Good therapists wouldn't force anything unless really necessary.

I am so glad we never saw that scene. I am so glad we didn't have a counselor on VOY.

It's 7's name to choose. Having had everything about her human life taken away from her against her will and then, twenty years later having had everything about her Borg life taken away from her against her will I think her autonomy on the issue of her name is only a good thing. The last thing she needs is to be encouraged to call herself something other than what she wants.

Captain Kathryn February 16 2014 11:02 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
She didn't want to be called Annika... I think that truly is the only reason.

Guy Gardener February 16 2014 11:06 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
Imagine if 5 episodes after Scorpion, that all her implants were all removed, her emotional state was completely healthy, she thought or herself as human and not Borg, she answered to Annika, she was wearing a Starfleet Uniform and they never encountered another Borg Cube, or had another Borg centric adventure during the course of the series, and that Crewman Hansen went below decks and was never heard of again, like every other flash in the pan guest star.

(Missing verse from the song Imagine by John Lennon.)

JirinPanthosa February 16 2014 11:07 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
At the beginning she wasn't comfortable being called Annika. Later on I imagine it was kind of like the reason Odo doesn't change his name to something else. She came to 'Own' the name for herself, for different reasons than it was given to her.

teacake February 16 2014 11:08 PM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
Just like Thrall in Warcraft.

Timewalker February 22 2014 04:45 AM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9253930)
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.

Then it's a good thing that neither of them ever had a say in the matter. It's really none of their business what she wants to be called (unless the reason pertains to a genuine mental health problem).

Guy Gardener February 22 2014 05:00 AM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
If she wanted to be called Captain Seven of Nine, kathryn might have had a problem with that.

teacake February 22 2014 05:01 AM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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Timewalker wrote: (Post 9277699)
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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9253930)
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.

Then it's a good thing that neither of them ever had a say in the matter. It's really none of their business what she wants to be called (unless the reason pertains to a genuine mental health problem).

I was going to reply to Timewalker but I realized that everything I was going to say I have already said a few posts back so there is no point in saying it again.

I shall now quit the forum :lol:

Timewalker February 22 2014 05:02 AM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
Considering how she ordered Janeway around ("Captain Janeway, report to Astrometrics."), she didn't need a Captain's rank.

Guy Gardener February 22 2014 05:03 AM

Re: Why didn't the crew start calling Seven 'Annika'?
 
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teacake wrote: (Post 9277759)
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Timewalker wrote: (Post 9277699)
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DS9forever wrote: (Post 9253930)
I know the character preferred Seven as she was only a kid when she was assimilated; I just can't imagine Deanna Troi or Ezri Dax as counselors thinking it was a good idea.

Then it's a good thing that neither of them ever had a say in the matter. It's really none of their business what she wants to be called (unless the reason pertains to a genuine mental health problem).

I was going to reply to Timewalker but I realized that everything I was going to say I have already said a few posts back so there is no point in saying it again.

I shall now quit the forum :lol:

Smell you later.


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