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Dm00221 February 4 2014 01:02 AM

Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
At maximum warp, how many days does it take to travel from Earth to Romulus?

EmperorTiberius February 4 2014 01:49 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
My guess would be days to weeks, but with producers, you never know.

Undead February 4 2014 01:50 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
It would depend on the speed of plot (naturally :D) and also what "maximum warp" means. Not all ships have the same type speed.

Dm00221 February 4 2014 02:31 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Thanks. Maximum warp, meaning warp 8 or 9. I'm thinking a time element may have been mentioned in an episode of one of the series or film.

Albertese February 4 2014 02:57 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Well, how far could it possibly be? Given that the last major conflict Earth fought before there was a Federation was the Romulan War, is couldn't have been terribly far away. By TNG values of what warp 9 is, I would expect it to be a very short trip indeed.

--Alex

blssdwlf February 4 2014 05:38 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
On the TOS warp scale (which was significantly faster than TNG's) probably less than a day at "maximum warp".

TNG+ it's harder to say. "First Contact" had a cut with an unknown period of time between Picard ordering the E-E at the RNZ to Earth and when we see them arrive at Earth.

Dm00221 February 4 2014 05:42 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Cool. Thanks.

Robert Comsol February 4 2014 07:05 PM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Strange it hasn't been mentioned, yet. We would have to know the speed of a subspace radio signal for which we got figures in "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident". Kirk's real time conversation with his superior in "The Alternative Factor" provides some clues:

BARSTOW [on viewscreen]: Negative. I'm evacuating all Starfleet units and personnel within a hundred parsecs of your position. It's going to be tough on you and the Enterprise, but that's the job you've drawn. You're on your own.

Assuming Barstow was not evacuating himself, this would indicate a real-time conversation (including video) via subspace at a distance of at least 326 light years.

Balance of Terror

Just prior to arriving near Earth Outpost 4 Kirk orders "Open a channel to our nearest command base. Quarter hour reports on our position and status."

Later:

KIRK: Are you continuing to broadcast tactical reports?
UHURA [OC]: Affirmative, Captain.
KIRK: And at this distance?
UHURA [OC]: Approximately three hours before receiving a reply to our first message. (apparently the one above)

At the end of the episode:

RAND: We finally received an answer from Command base, sir. They say they'll support whatever decision you have to make.

Assuming that Kirk asked Uhura one hour after the first report to command base, it seems that it would take a subspace signal 2 hours to get to Starfleet and 2 more to get the reply.

Janice's "finally" isn't clear. Either it suggests that it's really quite some distance (conversations with Kirk's superiors light years away usually occur in real time!) or it took Starfleet a while to discuss what orders to relay to Kirk.

The Enterprise Incident

KIRK: You understand that Starfleet Command has been advised of the situation?
TAL [on viewscreen]: The subspace message will take three weeks to reach Starfleet [and three more to get a reply]. The decision is yours, Captain. One hour.

Now that really takes some time. I'd find it hard to believe that subspace technology had gotten worse.
However, Tal's information could be wrong and Starfleet somehow made the Romulans believe that it would take that long. Kirk doesn't comment on the time a reply would take.

Bob

Shawnster February 5 2014 01:53 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Quote:

Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9206785)

Now that really takes some time. I'd find it hard to believe that subspace technology had gotten worse.
However, Tal's information could be wrong and Starfleet somehow made the Romulans believe that it would take that long. Kirk doesn't comment on the time a reply would take.

Bob

Or Tal and the Enterprise are not in the same location of space that the Enterprise was in during Balance of Terror. With 3 dimensional space and the vastness of both the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire, some location may be much closer than others.

Additionally, advising Starfleet Command may not mean contacting Earth. Likewise, Barstow and Earth Outpost 4 may not be close to Earth.

So, how many days does it take to travel from Earth to Romulus? The world may never know.

blssdwlf February 5 2014 03:41 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Quote:

Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9206785)
Strange it hasn't been mentioned, yet. We would have to know the speed of a subspace radio signal for which we got figures in "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident". Kirk's real time conversation with his superior in "The Alternative Factor" provides some clues:

BARSTOW [on viewscreen]: Negative. I'm evacuating all Starfleet units and personnel within a hundred parsecs of your position. It's going to be tough on you and the Enterprise, but that's the job you've drawn. You're on your own.

Assuming Barstow was not evacuating himself, this would indicate a real-time conversation (including video) via subspace at a distance of at least 326 light years.

In addition, we would need to know what is the maximum distance for "real-time communication". We've seen in TOS that there are times that the Enterprise needs to be close enough to establish real-time comm vs sending a message that they have to wait for a reply. (Example, in "Charlie X" the Antares was "barely in range" to communicate with the Enterprise when it was destroyed.)

For the TOS Enterprise, 100 parsecs could be traveled in a third of a day.

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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9206785)
Balance of Terror

Janice's "finally" isn't clear. Either it suggests that it's really quite some distance (conversations with Kirk's superiors light years away usually occur in real time!) or it took Starfleet a while to discuss what orders to relay to Kirk.

The Enterprise Incident

KIRK: You understand that Starfleet Command has been advised of the situation?
TAL [on viewscreen]: The subspace message will take three weeks to reach Starfleet [and three more to get a reply]. The decision is yours, Captain. One hour.

Now that really takes some time. I'd find it hard to believe that subspace technology had gotten worse.
However, Tal's information could be wrong and Starfleet somehow made the Romulans believe that it would take that long. Kirk doesn't comment on the time a reply would take.

It's pretty likely that "The Enterprise Incident" takes place in an area of space much further away than in "Balance of Terror" and "The Deadly Years".

Forbin February 5 2014 03:01 PM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
What was the TNG episode where they travelled between Earth, Quonos and Romulus in the course of the story? Like, between Quonos and Romulus between commercials! Must have been Unification.

I laughed.

Mytran February 5 2014 09:58 PM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
Perhaps the faster communication speeds in BOT were due to a network of subspace booster relays, relays which had been mysteriously destroyed prior to the events of TEI. Yep, the very events which led to the clandestine investigation by Kirk in the first place.

It could be that the "3 week" figure is the speed of natual subspace communications, without the benefit of boosters. Otherwise, we are talking about the events in TEI taking place 168 times further away than the ones in BOT. That is a LOT of light years!

F. King Daniel February 5 2014 10:07 PM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
The Romulan drone ships from ENT got to and from their base on Remus and Earth/Vulcan/Andorian/Tellarite space in a blink.

EmperorTiberius February 6 2014 04:44 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
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Mytran wrote: (Post 9212182)
Perhaps the faster communication speeds in BOT were due to a network of subspace booster relays, relays which had been mysteriously destroyed prior to the events of TEI. Yep, the very events which led to the clandestine investigation by Kirk in the first place.

It could be that the "3 week" figure is the speed of natual subspace communications, without the benefit of boosters. Otherwise, we are talking about the events in TEI taking place 168 times further away than the ones in BOT. That is a LOT of light years!


They don't have to be destroyed - Enterprise simply has to be deeper in space in TEI where there are no subspace relays.

blssdwlf February 7 2014 12:21 AM

Re: Destination Romulus: Travel Time?
 
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EmperorTiberius wrote: (Post 9213790)
Quote:

Mytran wrote: (Post 9212182)
Perhaps the faster communication speeds in BOT were due to a network of subspace booster relays, relays which had been mysteriously destroyed prior to the events of TEI. Yep, the very events which led to the clandestine investigation by Kirk in the first place.

It could be that the "3 week" figure is the speed of natual subspace communications, without the benefit of boosters. Otherwise, we are talking about the events in TEI taking place 168 times further away than the ones in BOT. That is a LOT of light years!


They don't have to be destroyed - Enterprise simply has to be deeper in space in TEI where there are no subspace relays.

That's very possible as well. The only thing we know is how long communications will take but there are variables that we don't know:
1. Location
2. Subspace conditions between the location and Starfleet command


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