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Fearless January 11 2014 04:37 AM

Lois, Clark & Superman?
 
Man Of Steel *Spoilers*



I have never been a fan of Lois not knowing Clark/Superman were one in the same. It seems fine for the rest of the world but it seems insulting to Lois. One complaint of Man Of Steel is she knows right away about Clark. I like this and in fact it is something I hated about SMALLVILLE because Clark did a lot of strange things and Lois was like whatever and it took so long for Clark to be honest with her. I cannot disagree more when this criticism is used against Man Of Steel. Lois should know and that trust is an awesome thing.

I know there is a history of mind games with Lois, Clark & Superman, I never liked it.

DEWLine January 11 2014 05:32 AM

Re: Lois, Clark & Superman?
 
In this, you are far from alone.

Tosk January 11 2014 05:37 AM

Re: Lois, Clark & Superman?
 
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TayLaLaLa wrote: (Post 9109546)
One complaint of Man Of Steel is she knows right away about Clark.

Is it? Not one made by me, that's for sure.

Fearless January 11 2014 05:43 AM

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^ My bad. I read this and forgot to put it in the OP.

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=14422

Jerry Seinfeld's Opinion on "Man of Steel"

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"I was so happy that they made another Superman movie!" he said. "I'm really reluctant to be critical of it in any way. But I thought the glossing over of the figuring out a secret identity and why he felt he needed one was a huge missed opportunity for that character, and one of the most interesting things about Superman is the whole secret identity. So to me it was too much action/violence and not enough character study."
I actually respect JS on Superman...but don't agree with him here.

ETA: Seems directed at the Lois/Clark/Superman dynamic...he does adopt a secret identity by the end of the movie.

ADD: But I heard reviews too that complained about the same thing in my OP.

Anwar January 11 2014 05:54 AM

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The whole Lois/Clark/Superman triangle thing may have been funny at first, but after a few decades it became a bit disturbing and insulting. It made Lois this total moron, and it made Clark this douchebag who enjoyed playing a rather bizarre mind game with the woman he was supposedly in love with.

George Steinbrenner January 11 2014 06:32 AM

Re: Lois, Clark & Superman?
 
The 'Superman reveal' is one of the few things about the theatrical cut of Superman II (along with the "General, would you care to step outside?" line) that's preferable to the Donner cut.

(In the theatrical version, Clark stumbles and accidentally moves his hand into a fireplace, and that's what makes Lois realize he's Superman. In the Donner cut, she purposely tricks him with a gun loaded with blanks. :wtf: )

Fist McStrongpunch January 11 2014 03:42 PM

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One of the only good things about Man of Steel was that Lois Lane for once wasn't stupid.

the G-man January 11 2014 04:06 PM

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There actually was a valid literary point to Lois not knowing that Clark was Superman.

For about 50 years one of the main themes of Superman if not the main theme was the idea of the secret hero inside of us that others could not see.

Lois was the symbol-the human face-of all of that. She was the woman that Clark loved but whom he could not share his secret with.

It added a certain tragedy to the character. It also harkened back to classic and powerful myths about Gods in disguise.

When Lois knows Clark is Superman all of that is out the window.

JoeZhang January 11 2014 04:13 PM

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the G-man wrote: (Post 9110482)
There actually was a valid literary point to Lois not knowing that Clark was Superman.

For about 50 years one of the main themes of Superman if not the main theme was the idea of the secret hero inside of us that others could not see.

Lois was the symbol-the human face-of all of that. She was the woman that Clark loved but whom he could not share his secret with.

It added a certain tragedy to the character. It also harkened back to classic and powerful myths about Gods in disguise.

When Lois knows Clark is Superman all of that is out the window.

But the film series is going to have about (let's say they make four of these) eight hours of film - it's a narrative device for a long running series you don't need for a short finite series. moreover, it's a narrative device we have seen multiple times in various forms over 50 years so doing something different with one version isn't a problem for me.

the G-man January 11 2014 04:25 PM

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Just because something is new and different doesn't mean it always works, however.

Gaith January 11 2014 07:20 PM

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Anwar wrote: (Post 9109672)
The whole Lois/Clark/Superman triangle thing may have been funny at first, but after a few decades it became a bit disturbing and insulting. It made Lois this total moron, and it made Clark this douchebag who enjoyed playing a rather bizarre mind game with the woman he was supposedly in love with.

Agreed; I had many problems with MOS' script, but this wasn't one of them. Whether this version of Clark Kent can be an interesting character remains to be seen, but at least we presumably won't have to put up with as much of the aw-shucks "comical" bumbling disguise.

DEWLine January 11 2014 07:34 PM

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I can happily live without the Triangle in this series of movies as well.

JoeZhang January 11 2014 08:10 PM

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the G-man wrote: (Post 9110548)
Just because something is new and different doesn't mean it always works, however.

How do you know if something works until you try it?

Guy Gardener January 11 2014 08:26 PM

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You don't know that he didn't Super Hypnotize her again.

Or locked her in a basement chained to a radiator for two weeks "programming" her to forget the good old fashioned human way.

One of the few things I liked about the Originals is the Villain has this bartender girl for a "friend" who only knows that he is a vampire when they are together, but then forgets that vampires exist and that he is a vampire the second she leaves his company. It made for great comedy as she's trying to prove that vampires exist or someone is stealing her missing time while simultaneously she begins to accept that she is going insane, and then on the other side of the looking glass, back when she's talking to her vampire "friend" she is yelling at him becuase she doesn't like how crazy she gets whenever she forgets about vampires and what he is doing to her.

the G-man January 11 2014 09:45 PM

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JoeZhang wrote: (Post 9111073)
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the G-man wrote: (Post 9110548)
Just because something is new and different doesn't mean it always works, however.

How do you know if something works until you try it?

It was tried in the comic books for about twenty years, post-Byrne. It was tried on "Lois and Clark" eventually as well.

You also have the fact that, for the most part, this has become a trope of nearly every superhero movie since the 1989 Batman.

At this point, it's less something "new and different" and more something "been there, done that."


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