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Hawkeye_90 January 1 2014 06:06 AM

Even number movie rule
 
So I have seen all the trek movies atleast once most more then three times except 1 and 5..well enough said about 5. I often hear the even number rule for trek movies those are the good ones. I went back and watched tsfs and man it was good, I am not sure if that rule holds water and what people have against Star Trek III? It is a decent film not as good as TWOK but it was good.

The Old Mixer January 1 2014 06:18 AM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
Nemesis pretty much put that rule to bed.

Peach Wookiee January 1 2014 06:21 AM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
And though original fan opinion may be divided, so did Trek 11, aka Trek 2009.

The Old Mixer January 1 2014 06:29 AM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
I have issues with the Abrams approach, but his movies are far more solid and entertaining than TFF, INS, and NEM.

It's also worth pointing out that the actual films haven't used numbers since VI.

Dukhat January 1 2014 07:12 AM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
The "even/odd rule" is really non-existent. STIII is my favorite TOS Trek movie. People didn't really start bringing this up until STV.

Lance January 1 2014 09:45 AM

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The odd/even thing is nothing but a coincidence. It was always nothing but a coincidence. And, yes, it's practically become an outdated meme now, with the failure of Number 10 ('Nemesis') and the success of Number 11 (the 2009 thing). But still, the so-called "curse" persists in pop culture. So what can you do. :shrug:

Brutal Strudel January 1 2014 11:25 AM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
I never bought it. TMP and TWOk are my favorites, I like TSFS, hate TVH and TFF both and I like TUC. The only halfway decent TNG movie was FC. I really liked ST and liked STID almost as much. The odds/even thing holds as much credence as the portrayal of the thoughtful, intense, obsessive, hard-assed and humorous Jim Kirk of TOS as a shallow womanizer.

MacLeod January 1 2014 11:39 AM

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Well in the case of TOS films, TWOK, TVH and TUC are usually considered to be the better films of the six TOS movies, with TSFS considered to be th best of the odd numbered films, with TFF and TMP at the bottom. It doesn't mean that they are bad films just not as good as some of the others. At the end of the day we all have different tastes in movies and if you like a movie it doesn't matter if it's odd or even numbered.

Lance January 1 2014 12:01 PM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
I just dislike the way it sometimes gets pulled out by people as if it's some kind of lazy trump card that automatically explains everything.

I remember Frakes talking nervously about the 'curse' during production of Insurrection, and I just felt like "Oh come on now, let's not blame things on superstitious nonsense, if the movie's good then it'll be good and if it's bad it'll be bad, but the simple fact that it's the ninth movie has got nothing to do with it".

2takesfrakes January 1 2014 01:57 PM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
Frakes may not have liked the script he was given for INSURRECTION, that's all. I don't think he bought into the odd-even "rule" anymore than I do. The movies I think are great have nothing to do with their numerical order, either. For example, I happen to think SEARCH for SPOCK is wonderful. I love the cinematography. I love how lean the story is. I love how cool it tries to be - and it succeeds, wildly. It changed the course of the franchise and yet ... people repeat absent opinion about it and just by into it, because of this sheepherder mentality so many seem to fall into.

Greg Cox January 1 2014 04:26 PM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
As I've joked before, TSFS is the Jan Brady of TOS movies. It's a fun movie, but suffers by being the middle sister stuck between its two more popular siblings.

"Khan! Khan! Khan! All I ever hear is Khan!"

Timewalker January 1 2014 04:31 PM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
Quote:

Hawkeye_90 wrote: (Post 9072643)
So I have seen all the trek movies atleast once most more then three times except 1 and 5..well enough said about 5. I often hear the even number rule for trek movies those are the good ones. I went back and watched tsfs and man it was good, I am not sure if that rule holds water and what people have against Star Trek III? It is a decent film not as good as TWOK but it was good.

Parts of it were good. The reason I didn't like it much is because I didn't like the actress who played Saavik. She was horrible.

Khan 2.0 January 1 2014 05:06 PM

Re: Even number movie rule
 
if only Kirsty alley had come back as Savvik TSFS wouldve really felt like part II of TWOK. Then shed have done IV and VI which wouldve been such an awesome twist that wouldve totally made sense

but that aside i still consider TSFS 2nd best film of the 12films. Its like the Empire Strikes Back of the Genesis trilogy with abit of a lucas/spielberg feel at times, and really opened up the ST universe in an epic way (really felt like a big budget version of TOS). in no way is it one of the bad ones just to adhere to the nonsensical odd=bad rule

2takesfrakes January 2 2014 03:09 AM

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Quote:

Greg Cox wrote: (Post 9073360)
As I've joked before, TSFS is the Jan Brady of TOS movies. (...) "Khan! Khan! Khan! All I ever hear is Khan!"

I, uh ... I see! :lol:

STAR TREK III is the last epic TOS based movie, in my opinion. VOYAGE HOME began this self-referential humour in STAR TREK that still goes on, to this day and I don't like it. I know I'm watching a movie, I don't need reminders, in the middle of it. But STAR TREK III was self-referential in a cool way ... in the right way: Tribbles in the bar, fake planet sets, TOS-styled phaser/tricorder props, etc.. and it's still got legs!

Hober Mallow January 2 2014 04:12 AM

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I'm not sure why, but to me TSFS seemed like a cheap made-for-TV movie, especially when compared to the other films. I suppose the fact that I first saw the film on TV could have something to do with that impression. :)


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