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P0sitr0nic December 29 2013 12:18 AM

Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Forgiveness if this topic has made the rounds before, but i came across an interesting opinion on the new movies, and my first thought was to come here.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInst..._a_warp_drive/

The opinion, based on speeds used in the movies, is that due to the Narada likely having 25th century tech (which we know to be slipstream drive, like on the Aventine), and the Federation/Klingons/whoever else having 20 some odd years to have gotten their hands on the tech or info, the New universe ships have either transwarp or quantum slipstream drive.

Its an interesting read, and it makes sense.

Thoughts?

Mr. Laser Beam December 29 2013 01:21 AM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
The Narada obviously has oodles of future technology, but this may or may not have involved quantum slipstream or transwarp. It could be anything. If you believe the tie-in comics, for example:


King Daniel Into Darkness December 29 2013 01:28 AM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
The author of that article is applying Voyager-era warp speed concepts to TOS which I think is a huge mistake. The original Enterprise zipped to the galactic rim twice (in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "By Any Other Name"), back to Earth, and the centre of the galaxy twice ("Magicks of Megas Tu" and Star Trek V: The Final Frontier). In "That Which Survives" the old Enterprise explicitly covers 1,000 light-years at warp 8.4 in 12 hours (for comparison, a month at that speed and they would have made Voyager's 75,000 light year journey!) The new movies are 100% in line with those. It's Voyager and the (non-canon) technical manuals which depicted warp speed as far slower than it used to be.

captainkirk December 29 2013 09:17 AM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Something that I haven't seen anyone mention when they scream "The Enterprise went from Quo'nos to Earth in 47 seconds!" is that earlier in the film when they go from Earth to Quo'nos it takes them quite a while. I think it's obvious that most of the return journey wasn't shown.

Set Harth December 29 2013 01:44 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
That is far from "obvious"; in fact, the specifics and the editing of the scenes in question tend to argue against the possibility.

Unless we can come up with some credible reason why the characters would wait until the very end of the return journey to suddenly note that the ship is moving again.

captainkirk December 29 2013 02:57 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Well it seems unlikely that the return trip would suddenly be much faster when they have a damaged warp core. I agree that the way the scenes were written it feels like just a minute or so, but there's no way that's possible.

P0sitr0nic December 29 2013 05:39 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
I kinda like the Slipstream theory, it meshes with what we know about Trek science, and physics. To believe Nu Ent has slipstream makes watching and believing the new movies a little easier.

Maestro December 29 2013 05:49 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Is the slipstream ON SCREEN canon from television or is it fakety-canon from the books?

The Wormhole December 29 2013 06:25 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Quote:

A Christmas Festival wrote: (Post 9063208)
Is the slipstream ON SCREEN canon from television or is it fakety-canon from the books?

Yes, quantum slipstream was featured in two episodes of Voyager.

Dantrek December 29 2013 10:47 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
I wandered the same thing or at least transwarp since it looks so odd going into and out of warp. Also it gets from Earth to Q'onos in like 30 minutes.

captainkirk December 29 2013 11:12 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
The problem with the slipstream theory is that they always talk about warp drive, and the two technologies are different enough that I doubt they'd use the same name. Warp drive is supposed to work by distorting space as far as I know. Slipstream seems to be more of a wormhole type thing.

Set Harth December 30 2013 10:44 AM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
Quote:

captainkirk wrote: (Post 9062887)
Well it seems unlikely that the return trip would suddenly be much faster when they have a damaged warp core.

We don't really get a definitive sense of how long it took them to get to Klingon space in the first place, do we? I mean, in that case the editing allows for a longer trip, but it's vague enough that it could go either way. They might not have been at maximum speed. Also, the "sabotaged warp core" thing seems to be operating by Star Wars rules, so to speak, in which you either have functional hyperdrive/warp or you don't, as opposed to the damage actually making it slower.

Quote:

captainkirk wrote: (Post 9062887)
I agree that the way the scenes were written it feels like just a minute or so, but there's no way that's possible.

With the new timeline many things may be possible... but I agree that it's hard to swallow. We could try to work more time in somehow or write in that they dropped out of warp again somewhere along the way, but then we get into the question of why Marcus didn't catch them earlier.

Not to be a spoilsport but it seems as though the fault lies with the writing.

P0sitr0nic December 30 2013 01:48 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
If you actually watch when the ship is at warp, (the couple times its shown) it DOES look wormhole-ish.

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/warp-dr...ise-130514.jpg


and in video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUU2amJmtO4

King Daniel Into Darkness December 30 2013 02:05 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
The new movie warp effect looks a lot like what we see in those rare occasions in TNG and DS9 when we see a ship accelerate to warp from the inside (pic HERE) It makes we wonder if the 'streaking stars' effect is just a holographic overlay meant to be easier on the crew's (and viewers!) eyes.

The Stig December 30 2013 05:25 PM

Re: Does the Nu Ent have Quantum Slipstream?
 
As with every single Trek outing in history, the Enterprise moves at the speed of plot. Attempting to get the distances and speeds to reconcile is the utmost exercise in futility.


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