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LMFAOschwarz December 28 2013 07:53 AM

'Relics': missed opportunity?
 
In the episode Relics, am I alone in thinking that the transporter scene could have contributed immeasurably by having, instead of "Matt Franklin" , a known-to-us character degraded in the antique transporter? Doohan showed in the "unused portion" of The Wrath of Khan that he was definitely capable of projecting raw grief over the loss of someone. I don't know....it just crossed my mind while watching it, remembering thinking "Who?" when Matt Franklin was mentioned when I first saw the episode...

Therin of Andor December 28 2013 08:17 AM

Re: 'Relics': missed opportunity?
 
So you wanted the episode to commence with the killing off someone, who would undoubtedly be a beloved favourite character to some fans?

"Hi, I'm Scotty, where's Janice Rand? She was with me a few minutes ago."

"Hi, I'm Scotty, where's Kevin Riley? He was with me a few minutes ago."

Dukhat December 28 2013 08:18 AM

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And just who would that have been that died in the transporter for that one-off scene? Chekov? Sulu? Uhura?

"Matt Franklin" was chosen precisely because it was no one we would have cared about. The episode was about Scotty, not about someone else that we have an emotional attachment to just being told that they're dead.

Cyke101 December 28 2013 11:08 AM

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In the world of Trek, having someone that you're barely acquainted with just suddenly die on you seems to be part of the job and life, almost to the point where our heroes sometimes appear to be desensitized and the writers rarely show the Captain acknowledging their deaths procedurally (ie writing a letter to their relatives, hosting a memorial, etc). Poor Matt Franklin was just another in Starfleet's long death tally, but as was mentioned before, the episode is about Scotty.

JarodRussell December 28 2013 01:31 PM

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Dukhat wrote: (Post 9059164)
And just who would that have been that died in the transporter for that one-off scene? Chekov? Sulu? Uhura?

"Matt Franklin" was chosen precisely because it was no one we would have cared about. The episode was about Scotty, not about someone else that we have an emotional attachment to just being told that they're dead.

But they had all been dead by the time anyways.

The Old Mixer December 28 2013 01:44 PM

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I watched that episode recently and thought that it would have been nice if the name of the ship's pilot had been female or non-American. "Matt Franklin" just sounded so "Joe Whitebread".

Ensign_Redshirt December 28 2013 02:38 PM

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The Old Building & Loan wrote: (Post 9059524)
I watched that episode recently and thought that it would have been nice if the name of the ship's pilot had been female or non-American. "Matt Franklin" just sounded so "Joe Whitebread".

For all we know, Matt Franklin could have been Jamaican on his father's side and Pakistani on his mother's side.

But I see what you're getting at... since this is probably not what the writers had in mind. Considering that nowadays we have a half-Kenyan president of the U.S. named Obama and a half-Bulgarian president of Brazil named Rousseff the lack of ethnic diversity in Trek stretches credibility a bit. But AFAIK Picard's mother could very well have been British. :P

Allyn Gibson December 28 2013 03:20 PM

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That's not the missed opportunity in "Relics."

Exploring the Dyson Sphere is the missed opportunity for me. I mean, the stuff with Scotty was nice and nostalgic and all, but why waste a Dyson Sphere on that?

Hell, a Dyson Sphere merited a multi-part arc -- discovery, exploration, and eventually discovery of the builders.

As nostalgia, "Relics" is great. As science-fiction, "Relics" missed the mark. :)

Forbin December 28 2013 04:06 PM

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The episode was about the discovery of a huge, spherical, ancient object.
And a Dyson sphere.

Armored Saint December 28 2013 05:48 PM

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Cyke101 wrote: (Post 9059281)
In the world of Trek, having someone that you're barely acquainted with just suddenly die on you seems to be part of the job and life, almost to the point where our heroes sometimes appear to be desensitized and the writers rarely show the Captain acknowledging their deaths procedurally (ie writing a letter to their relatives, hosting a memorial, etc).

I think it's even worse in TNG than in TOS. Of course, red shirt cases are fewer, but I find them dumber. Tasha Yar could have been chopped in half, they would be ready to give CPR to her feet. Lieutenant Prieto? He's just napping on the console. We don't have to care because Deanna Troi is afraid.

Human-annoyed December 28 2013 06:46 PM

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Forbin wrote: (Post 9059707)
The episode was about the discovery of a huge, spherical, ancient object.
And a Dyson sphere.

:lol:

Mojochi December 28 2013 07:25 PM

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Could've been passable if they'd used someone like Saavik or Carol Marcus, or someone else of lesser consequence, but I agree it wasn't really a worthwhile effort

jimbotron December 28 2013 07:28 PM

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I'm annoyed that they broke one of the biggest rules in Trek. They beamed people off a ship with its shields up. :devil:

USS Triumphant December 28 2013 09:25 PM

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Given that he was on his way to a retirement colony, I really don't think it would have made much sense for it to be anyone we knew, because they aren't going to *retire together*, unless it was one of Scotty's previously shown love interests. In which case, the tone of the whole episode would have been dominated by Scotty's reaction to that loss.

Where I feel like the episode missed a beat was the reaction of the crew to Scotty. The idea that anyone who served on the Enterprise *wouldn't* be just about in AWE of any of Kirk's command crew - a crew that saved Earth and the ENTIRE UNIVERSE multiple times - is ludicrous. But here's Ensign Douchenozzle acting like it is a waste of his time to escort Scotty to his quarters or to hear him recount events from his service time, and even the command crew of the -D acted more like they were humoring an old nursing home resident rather than in the improbable presence of a living legend.

E-DUB December 28 2013 09:36 PM

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You know, Jimbotron, that bothered me for a while, it was even addressed (but not really answered) in the ST Encylopedia.

But I've thought of three work-arounds for that. One. We've seen, notably in Generations, how shields can be bypassed if you know the frequency. Scotty simply relayed the frequency to the Ent-D and they were able to beam them out right through them. Two. (similar) The shields were optimized for repulsion of physical objects (the doors of the sphere) so an energy beam such as the transporter went right through them. Three. We've often heard phrases like "Forward shields at maximum" or "Aft shields down to 50%". My theory is that Scott and Laforge put all power into the port and starboard shields so the Ent-D was able to beam them out through the top of the ship, or the bottom depending on which way they were facing.

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