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JES December 16 2013 08:52 PM

Nelson Mandela-class Diplomatic Courier
 
As soon as I heard that Nelson Mandela passed away, I knew I had to design a Federation starship to carry his name, as I knew that his is one of those names that the Federation would have a great deal of respect for, and probably even still have an influence on it's politics. I'm surprised that I haven't found any other starships that carries his name yet.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/1...54139fab_h.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4044567...h/11406398445/

There are two aspects that I'm unsure of, and could use the opinion of fellow starship designers. There are two options for the Point Defense Phasers (PDPs for short, not to confused with the Quad Point Defense Pulse Phaser Turrets, which are designed to take out big threats; the PDPs are meant to take out fighters, other small spacecraft, and projectiles).

One is like akin to the units Malcolm Lu originally designed for the Majestic class, and used on the Legacy class, while the other is compact, and half-spherical shaped, with an emitter sandwiched into the middle.

Then there is the shuttlebays: one design is like that of the Miranda and Sparrow class frigates, while the other design has the doors mounted along the side, like on the Insignia class.

A vote of opinions is necessary before I am to continue the design process any further.

The design of the Nelson Mandela was based on the Diplomatic Courier U.S.S. Robert F. Kennedy (NCC-921), and yes, there are many references to some of Forbin's designs in the starship's bio.

Information (subject to additions and changes):

Armament (subject to change):
14 Quad Point Defense Pulse Phaser Turrets (concealed)
12 Point Defense Phaser Emplacements


Laid down on Stardate 12.16.91, the Nelson Mandela-class Diplomatic Courier was the be the latest designed diplomatic vessel. Designed with Quantum Slipstream, she was capable of even reaching nearby galaxies within hours if the mission called for it. In spite of opposition, due to the incident with the U.S.S. Grand Alliance (NCC-72800), in which her escort, the U.S.S. Claymore (NCC-69426) had been destroyed by Orion mercenary starships, it had been decided that by 2380, all future diplomatic vessels must be designed to be capable of fending for themselves. As a result, the U.S.S. Nelson Mandela (NX, and later NCC-91921) carries not only 12 Point Defense Phasers (PDPs), but also 14 Point Defense Quad Pulse Phaser Cannon Emplacements and Deployable Armor Generators, based on the technology equipped to the U.S.S. Voyager (NCC-74656) upon her return from the Delta Quadrant. The Nelson Mandela class, being designed to carry dignitaries, diplomats, and ambassadors, and if necessary, their families, from whatever worlds she might be required, is equipped with a manner of luxuries, many of which are shared with luxury star cruisers, including 5-star suite cabins, which can be completely re-equipped within a couple of hours due to industrial replicators and nano-constructors inside each cabin, for whatever environment that may be required, a swimming pool, mess halls designed like a 5-star restaurants, and arboretums, not to mention holo-suites, in spite of not being the largest of the Diplomatic Starships in Starfleet's Diplomatic Corp's disposal (Starfleet One, the Quantum Slipstream capable replacement for the U.S.S. Grand Alliance is to take that honor). The U.S.S. Nelson Mandela was involved in one of the last attempts to maintain diplomatic ties with the Klingon Empire, before the Klingon Empire cut diplomatic ties with the Federation. This attempt ended with a Vor'cha class-Attack Cruiser firing at the U.S.S. Nelson Mandela's port bow (not across; the Nelson Mandela's port bow was hit). Fortunately, the shields completely absorbed the attack, but she was forced to return to the Federation border, clearly not welcome in Klingon space.

Kaiser December 16 2013 11:06 PM

Re: Nelson Mandela-class Diplomatic Courier
 
Nice :)

Wingsley December 17 2013 06:12 AM

Re: Nelson Mandela-class Diplomatic Courier
 
Slight correction: the NCC-921 TOS-era ship you mentioned is the U.S.S. Robert F. Kennedy.

JES December 17 2013 06:58 PM

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Wingsley wrote: (Post 9022915)
Slight correction: the NCC-921 TOS-era ship you mentioned is the U.S.S. Robert F. Kennedy.

Thanks for the heads up!

I've changed my post for accuracy accordingly.

I'm still waiting for constructive criticism, if anyone has any, specifically help on deciding on which shuttlebay design to go with.

surak-toc December 19 2013 06:53 PM

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the design work so far looks amazing, cannot to see more and how it pans out and see everything in its entirety.

JES December 23 2013 12:29 AM

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Thanks!:)

It always makes me happy to see people say that. Encourages me to continue the work that goes into developing these designs.

I'll try to make sure I have something to show by the end of next week. I probably won't be doing them in Illustrator (takes too long; sketching orthographics won't be as accurate, but it will be far faster. I'll let someone else vector or model her if they want/don't mind).

Since nobody seems to care which design options I choose, I'll just go with the Miranda-like shuttlebays, since I see them as a safer design element. The (smaller) PDPs will be based off of the ones used on the Legacy class.

Starship December 26 2013 12:07 AM

Re: Nelson Mandela-class Diplomatic Courier
 
A good homage with an interesting concept.
Therefore, I suggest a short name: USS Mandela. ;)

Maurice December 26 2013 10:45 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that a discussion about a "Diplomatic Courier" starts off by discussing its weaponry?

JES December 29 2013 09:06 PM

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Starship: I chose to use both his first and last name just in case there was a contemporary U.S.S. Mandela that I didn't know about, since Starfleet vessels usually use only the last name as a homage to a person, more often than not.

But to be fair, if another person seconds your opinion, then I might make the changes accordingly in the schematics. But if your suggestion is thirded, then I will definitely make the change, since you know what they say about the third time being the charm...

Maurice: It is a bit odd when you mention it, but that is because weapons are always the first of the statistics that I add about a starship, and statistics in turn appear first, before the flavor text. As time goes on, I plan to edit the original post, and add things, such as impulse, warp, and slipstream speed, once I've done the necessary homework.
For instance, I've decided that the Nelson Mandela is 12 decks high, and has a maximum quantum slipstream velocity somewhere in between that of the Vesta class and the Odyssey class (but I need to research the two classes QSD velocities, and come up with a something in between, stuff that I'm not prone to doing right away).

Anyways, here is a schematic set I've been working on:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2825/1...f560ecbe_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40445677@N06/11630566233/

I'm happy with the side view, and have managed to work out the number of decks to 12, but being the slob I am, have made the nacelle pylons, hull, and nacelles out of proportion, so the top view will need a lot of work, and much of it will probably have to be erased, and started over.
I know it isn't much right now, but what can I say, I'm a terrible procrastinator!:rommie:
I really need to get more work done next week.

Thanks for viewing, and keep the comments coming!

JES January 13 2014 08:03 PM

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Yet another update:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/1...601a68b6_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40445677@N06/11933161105/

I've noticed that there hasn't been any new comments after my last post, which is making me consider just moving on to another design.
I'm not fishing for complements. I just want to know that others are enjoying my work, and that it is worth continuing to go through this long design and sketching process. After all, if the design isn't worth a comment once a week (like "keep up the work" or "looking good"), then I don't consider it worth continuing to work on, when I have so many other design ideas I haven't given visual form or posted.

Anyways, for some reason, I've decided to go a bit further, and use Illustrator to give the illusion of the whole dorsal by using the reflect tool, traced the outline of the dorsal using the pen tool, and even added a simple pulse phaser unit to one of it's mounting areas, as well as pulse phaser fire, illustrating how it would work when in use.

surak-toc January 15 2014 12:40 AM

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the design so far is coming along nicely, the design from the top of it looks amazing, cannot wait for more, just a design point, would like it to have a little romulan influence

Maurice January 15 2014 01:29 AM

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The point I was making is that diplomatic vehicles are typically unarmed. Air Force One doesn't carry air to air missiles. Defensive countermeasures, yes, but weapons?

Cyke101 January 15 2014 04:13 AM

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Maurice wrote: (Post 9124048)
The point I was making is that diplomatic vehicles are typically unarmed. Air Force One doesn't carry air to air missiles. Defensive countermeasures, yes, but weapons?

It always struck me as odd that there were so very few anti-torpedo countermeasures in Starfleet, aside from shields. Interceptor torpedoes and point defense phasers (like in ST:Armada) would have been neat. Even modern-day Fedex planes have countermeasure systems designed to feed incoming missiles a false target (like how O'Brien defeated the Cardassian weapons platforms) and then automatically signal air traffic control of the attack.

Robbiesan January 15 2014 05:59 AM

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Actually Mandela being the name of a diplomatic ship strikes me as odd given he's either a freedom fighter for the African National Congress or a terrorist to some ( he was caught with multiple explosive devices and given to necklacing the opposition [filling a tire full of jellied gasoline around an opponent's neck then igniting it]). Rather gruesome and hardly diplomatic.

I guess you mean his statesman years?

aloha62 January 18 2014 04:46 PM

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Maurice wrote: (Post 9052984)
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that a discussion about a "Diplomatic Courier" starts off by discussing its weaponry?


Kind of makes sense in this context, Mandela did start his career with murders, weapons and bombs.


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