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EmoBorg December 11 2013 08:59 AM

The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Let say you met a man by the name of Morpheus and he explains to you clearly and convincingly that your conscious is loaded onto a massive simulated reality and he offers you two choices.

Blue pill - stay in the simulated reality in blissful ignorance.

Red pill - wake up from the simulated reality and join the free humans in Zion.

You had an encounter with agents, who are actually powerful sentient programs that eliminate threats to the system and you came to the realization that things are not what they are.

What will be your choice.

Wereghost December 11 2013 09:28 AM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Red pill; otherwise, everything I do is bound to be pretty meaningless. Who wants to go to sleep on a glorified life support machine for the rest of their existence?

Tosk December 11 2013 09:52 AM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Considering the reality they had to live in...blue for me. If I don't know the difference, what difference does it make? Joey Pants had the right idea. :)

EmoBorg December 11 2013 10:02 AM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
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Tosk wrote: (Post 9001933)
Considering the reality they had to live in...blue for me. If I don't know the difference, what difference does it make? Joey Pants had the right idea. :)


Cypher's views about the Matrix

Tosk December 11 2013 11:01 AM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Exactly. :)

The Mirrorball Man December 11 2013 12:36 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Wait a minute. Can this "Morpheus" character guarantee me that the Red Pill reality is not itself a simulation?

Starkers December 11 2013 12:45 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
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Tosk wrote: (Post 9001933)
Considering the reality they had to live in...blue for me. If I don't know the difference, what difference does it make? Joey Pants had the right idea. :)

This. One of the major problems I had with the Matrix is that Joe Pantoliana was about the only character I could empathise with, he was also curiously one of the only members of the resistance who seemed to have, well any individuality. It always struck me as strange that a bunch of people who are fighting against a homogenised society where free will is frowned upon should all be so lacking in personality or individual style, seriously they all dress the same, act the same...

Gov Kodos December 11 2013 12:54 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
The red pill was the computer's way to silence Neo's mind and let him think he was escaping.

Icemizer December 11 2013 01:25 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
I took both and ended up being able to create my own simulations.

JarodRussell December 11 2013 02:14 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
What if he didn't take any pills? Stay in the reality knowing it's not real?

EmoBorg December 11 2013 02:43 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 9002422)
What if he didn't take any pills? Stay in the reality knowing it's not real?

That is interesting. I think that he will continue to have doubts if he choose not to take either one of those two pills.

If he chooses either pills, he has made a choice, freeing him from doubt. His doubts will be cleared either by choosing ignorance or by actual reality.


Not choosing can leave you doubtful and feeling guilty about not choosing.

Gaith December 11 2013 02:50 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
Red pill; while sleek, the City of the Matrix looked pretty sterile and dull. I doubt the machines programmed it with much culture or good movies; better to risk your life fighting for freedom than do fake corporate busy work until your body fails and is recycled into the food supply.

... Besides, I hear Mouse can arrange one some private quality time with the Woman in Red. :devil:


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Starkers wrote: (Post 9002245)
It always struck me as strange that a bunch of people who are fighting against a homogenised society where free will is frowned upon should all be so lacking in personality or individual style, seriously they all dress the same, act the same...

But... Switch wore white! :p

Rķu rķu, chķu December 11 2013 02:51 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
I'd also choose the Blue Pill.

I couldn't live in a shithole like Zion. And I'm definitely not cut out to be a fighter or revolutionary or any of that crap.

Plus, in the original film, I got the impression that Morpheus was out to permanently destroy the Matrix and wake up everyone in it - whether they wanted it or not. Needless to say, I wouldn't have been in favor of that at all. Thankfully, at the end of the trilogy the Matrix was maintained; IMHO, anyone should have had the right to willingly choose to live in it.

(People in the Matrix do still have free will - it's not like the Agents were fascist dictators or anything like that. It seemed that the Agents actually interfered very little in people's day to day lives. It was only to go up against Morpheus' group that the Agents manifested themselves.)

Robert Comsol December 11 2013 03:22 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
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Starkers wrote: (Post 9002245)
It always struck me as strange that a bunch of people who are fighting against a homogenised society where free will is frowned upon should all be so lacking in personality or individual style, seriously they all dress the same, act the same...

:confused: Morpheus' and Niobe's actions and their ability to choose and do so suggest anything but a "homogenised" society.

Zion itself is the collection of all these misfits and individualists because these wouldn't fit in into the homogenised virtual society of the Matrix. They consist of various ethnic groups and that most of them dress the same is obviously not a question of choice but availability of materials.

The basic question is of philosophical nature. I think it comes down to what your goal in life and your understanding of the meaning of life is.

A fake and virtual existence would lack what I personally cherish most: truth and authenticity.

Or, as the great philosopher and my personal hero Socrates once said: The unexamined life is not worth living.

In the Matrix your fate is determined by the machines and the whole recruiting process of Neo is apparently part of a deliberate program.

While the Cypher character's choice is understandable it is also despicable because his choice comes at the expense of other fellow human beings.

Bob

ToysOnLayAway December 11 2013 05:03 PM

Re: The Matrix: the red pill or the blue pill
 
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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 9002422)
What if he didn't take any pills? Stay in the reality knowing it's not real?

My thought as well. Learn to manipulate fake reality, but fly under the radar of the agents.


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