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Noddy December 9 2013 02:07 PM

Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
Near the end of the episode, all the past Doctors from One to Nine arrive at Gallifrey to help save the planet. But one thing I'm curious about is who exactly sent them? Was it the Eleventh Doctor, or the Moment? And why exactly did they all need to be present anyway? Surely Eleven could have used the calculations that the TARDIS had been running since his first incarnation, or am I missing something?

Starkers December 9 2013 02:10 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
In Universe explanation: They needed the power of multiple Tardises

Real world explanation: It was the 50th Anniversary episode!

Gov Kodos December 9 2013 02:17 PM

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Starkers wrote: (Post 8993743)
In Universe explanation: They needed the power of multiple Tardises

Real world explanation: It was the 50th Anniversary episode!

As for who, The Moment would be my guess.

intrinsical December 9 2013 03:11 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
I have no problem with Hurt, Tennant and Smith's Doctors realizing they needed more computational power to create a planetary-wide stasis field. So they went back and convinced past doctors to do the computation and to show up.

I know some are worried about past doctors knowing the future and the consequences of it. But I feel it shouldn't be too hard for the 3 doctors to convince the past 8 doctors that what they are doing is absolutely critical to Gallifrey's survival and to do it with the TARDIS on autopilot and sensors completely turned off so they don't know exactly what's happening or when it happened.

Capaldi's doctor shows up because he already knows he's needed.

Allyn Gibson December 9 2013 03:21 PM

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intrinsical wrote: (Post 8993842)
I have no problem with Hurt, Tennant and Smith's Doctors realizing they needed more computational power to create a planetary-wide stasis field. So they went back and convinced past doctors to do the computation and to show up.

I know some are worried about past doctors knowing the future and the consequences of it. But I feel it shouldn't be too hard for the 3 doctors to convince the past 8 doctors that what they are doing is absolutely critical to Gallifrey's survival and to do it with the TARDIS on autopilot and sensors completely turned off so they don't know exactly what's happening or when it happened.

Capaldi's doctor shows up because he already knows he's needed.

I had a different read on it, based on the fanwanky trailer.

Matt Smith says that there's something the Doctor has been running from "all my lives." He can't be speaking of "The Moment," because he's only been running from that for three lives.

What if he's always known, even if only in a subconscious way, that he'll be there when Gallifrey falls? That he's been running all of his lives from his future, not his past?

And, of course, Capaldi's there because he needs to be there. Perhaps the calculation doesn't even finish until Capaldi's life.

od0_ital December 9 2013 03:45 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
The Tardis took them all there.

Sexy doesn't always take the Doctor where he wants to go, but always where he needs to go.

;) :D

Sindatur December 9 2013 04:02 PM

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od0_ital wrote: (Post 8993968)
The Tardis took them all there.

Sexy doesn't always take the Doctor where he wants to go, but always where he needs to go.

;) :D

Lending even more credence to Clara having to direct The Doctor to the Correct TARDIS

The Stig December 9 2013 04:33 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
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od0_ital wrote: (Post 8993968)
The Tardis took them all there.

Sexy doesn't always take the Doctor where he wants to go, but always where he needs to go.

;) :D

More to the point, I'd say there's at least some indication that The Moment is indeed the Doctor's TARDIS from the far-future. The Moment's dialogue about confusing the past and the future felt very reminiscent of Idris in The Doctor's Wife.

Emperor-Tiberius December 9 2013 04:47 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
"And for my next trick..." I like to think that the Ninth did, based on that.

Just an assumption of mine.

EliyahuQeoni December 9 2013 05:03 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
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The Baby Stig wrote: (Post 8994100)
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od0_ital wrote: (Post 8993968)
The Tardis took them all there.

Sexy doesn't always take the Doctor where he wants to go, but always where he needs to go.

;) :D

More to the point, I'd say there's at least some indication that The Moment is indeed the Doctor's TARDIS from the far-future. The Moment's dialogue about confusing the past and the future felt very reminiscent of Idris in The Doctor's Wife.

The similarity could be due to the fact that they are both sentient Time Lord tech, not that they are the same sentient Time Lord tech.

Sindatur December 9 2013 05:06 PM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
I believe Bad Wolf was indeed a melding of Rose and The TARDIS, and I believe The Moment's Sentience was indeed a Bad Wolf incarnation. So, yea, Bad Wolf, The Moment, The TARDIS, all the same thing, IMHO.

Psion December 9 2013 05:19 PM

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Sindatur wrote: (Post 8994208)
I believe Bad Wolf was indeed a melding of Rose and The TARDIS, and I believe The Moment's Sentience was indeed a Bad Wolf incarnation. So, yea, Bad Wolf, The Moment, The TARDIS, all the same thing, IMHO.

That's kind of creepy! I like it. But The Moment said something like she took the form from the Doctor's past ... or was it his future? She can never really be sure. Rose Tyler. No, that's not right. Bad Wolf. So this implies she was mimicking Bad Wolf. But I much prefer the notion the Bad Wolf, the TARDIS, and The Moment are all aspects of the same presence.

The Stig December 9 2013 06:28 PM

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Psion wrote: (Post 8994265)
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Sindatur wrote: (Post 8994208)
I believe Bad Wolf was indeed a melding of Rose and The TARDIS, and I believe The Moment's Sentience was indeed a Bad Wolf incarnation. So, yea, Bad Wolf, The Moment, The TARDIS, all the same thing, IMHO.

That's kind of creepy! I like it. But The Moment said something like she took the form from the Doctor's past ... or was it his future? She can never really be sure. Rose Tyler. No, that's not right. Bad Wolf. So this implies she was mimicking Bad Wolf. But I much prefer the notion the Bad Wolf, the TARDIS, and The Moment are all aspects of the same presence.

Particularly when you tie that with Idris/TARDIS's statement that she stole The Doctor, rather than the other way around. This particular old TARDIS had a plan for the universe and she needed someone to act it out. The Doctor was that someone.

MissionFever December 10 2013 12:12 AM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
I'll explain later.

Timelord Victorious December 10 2013 12:38 AM

Re: Who brought the past Doctors to Gallifrey?
 
The memory problem is not really a problem. All the classic Doctors would forget what happened same as Hurt's and Tennant's Doctor.
Either the three of them recruited them themselves or they got picked up by The Moment.
I'd like to think it was Eleven who went around and recruited his earlier incarnation, so so I can play sort of a minisode in my mind where he travels further and further in his timeline with an increasingly large fleet of TARDISes until they all swoop in on Gallifrey.


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