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DEWLine December 7 2013 11:19 PM

Stellar Cartography
Seeing as the above-named title is now in the stores, would anyone object to a thread here on the subject?

SWHouston December 8 2013 06:22 AM

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No problem...proceed ! :bolian:

Ronald Held December 8 2013 09:41 PM

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Not at all. I would have preferred it be consistent with onscreen evidence and the novels.

DEWLine December 8 2013 09:55 PM

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Well, they do include little quiet salutes to the "Rihannsu" and "Vanguard" novels. That's a good start in that direction. Not perfect, not yet...

publiusr December 8 2013 10:23 PM

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Well, one way to interpret different takes would be to say that each offering is a different layer.

Imagine the Fed in between Klingons and Romulans and source A has the Klingons to the left and the other to the right.

From galaxy edge on, you just imagine slanted towers that thin in the middle, and it still works...

DEWLine December 8 2013 10:47 PM

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Cross-posted from my Livejournal...

I like the "artists' impression" approach taken with the "Known Space" and "Vulcan at Surak's Passing" pieces. It reminds me that cartography is often an art as much as a science.

As to the Romulan Empire map: Would the Romulan artist have been chosen for multi-linguistic skill? Granted that translator software is likely available to all the local powers neighbouring the Federation, but I do wonder if the artist's supervisors would have preferred that it not be necessary. Also, guessing that all inhabited systems between Hobus and Romulus were also toasted by that supernova's combined subspace/realspace effects. As well as those within the bounds of the radius distance connecting the two.

Two Denobulas? Denobula Triaxa I remember from Enterprise.

The Romulan War map is designed to be consistent with 47North's other Trek publication, Federation: the First 150 Years. That publication wasn't consistent with any of the previous published accounts of that war, so far as I know. There are nods in the accounts of Romulan history there and here saluting the work of Diane Duane, though, particular in reference to Ch'Rihan.

Missing the sector grid on the UFP historical map. For some reason, I seem hung up on sector grids!

And the location of the nearer systems of the Delphic Expanse from Enterprise is finally (mostly) settled. If Jed Whitten figures out real-universe stars to map to worlds like Azati Prime and New Xindus,

Wondering if there was some slight tinkering with the Cardassian-UFP border for this project. Something looks different, but I'm not quite sure where or how.

Thanks for the shout-out to the Vanguard novels by David Mack, Dayton Ward, and their assorted partners in documenting "the crimes of the Taurus Reach", whether committed by the Federation, Klingons, Tholians, or Shedai.

Regarding the translations for the Vulcan, Romulan and Klingon maps: who should we assume picked the fonts for the post-translation text? Memory Alpha personnel?

Albertese December 9 2013 01:57 AM

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What are you guys talking about? Is there a new maps book? New since the Star Trek: Star Charts book?


DEWLine December 9 2013 02:00 AM

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New maps book plus a collection of ten fold-out maps. Yes. Yes. It builds on the foundation of Star Charts.

DEWLine December 9 2013 04:21 PM

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And Christopher's figured out a possible explanation over on the TrekLit board for "Denobula Prime": it's actually Denebola/Beta Leonis.

Christopher December 9 2013 05:01 PM

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^Maybe. I'm going by the rough description of where it is on the map, and my best estimate of where the star would show up on that projection (from using a 3D star map program and trying to align the viewpoint so that the star positions roughly correspond to the map projection). It's possible the mapmaker misread "Denebola" as "Denobula." It wouldn't be the first time I've seen that happen.

Ronald Held December 9 2013 07:47 PM

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If Christopher is correct then Denobula Triaxa is placed where on the Cartography charts(the same location as on the SC?

DEWLine December 9 2013 08:04 PM

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Yep, same as before: Iota B÷otis.

Ronald Held December 10 2013 09:58 PM

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DEWLine wrote: (Post 8995132)
Yep, same as before: Iota B÷otis.

Good to know although I do not recall seeing Iota Bootis. I will have to look again.

T'Girl December 10 2013 10:35 PM

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Albertese wrote: (Post 8991940)
What are you guys talking about? Is there a new maps book?

I was wondering this as well.


wildstar December 12 2013 07:51 AM

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Yes, it's a new product. I haven't seen the maps except for online images in amazon, but it seems to like the old 1980 maps plus booklets. All updated of course to the latest info, plus a klingon map in klingon too apparently. Looks interesting.

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