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Sran November 16 2013 10:09 PM

Least Favorite Flag Officer
 
Per R. Star's request, here's the "Least Favorite Flag Officer" thread. The focus of this thread/poll will be the various flag officers we've seen throughout Star Trek. Vote for as many options as you want, provided the officer is someone you dislike.

--Sran

BillJ November 16 2013 10:23 PM

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The only one I really disliked was the one from Ensign Ro. Admiral Kennelly.

I see Admiral Kennelly is missing. :lol:

C.E. Evans November 16 2013 11:11 PM

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I thought Admiral Nogura was only mentioned very briefly in passing in TMP, but didn't make an actual appearance.

Sran November 16 2013 11:28 PM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8899111)
I thought Admiral Nogura was only mentioned very briefly in passing in TMP, but didn't make an actual appearance.

Correct. But he's mentioned enough in TMP that he manages to have a presence in the film despite never being on screen.

--Sran

M'Sharak November 16 2013 11:33 PM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8899111)
I thought Admiral Nogura was only mentioned very briefly in passing in TMP, but didn't make an actual appearance.

I think you're right.

Also: Commodore Stocker (who figured prominently in "The Deadly Years") is not included in the poll. Mendez is missing as well.

Bry_Sinclair November 17 2013 12:00 AM

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I went for Kirk, Jameson and Dougherty.

I'm not he hugest Kirk fan, but he was insufferable as an Admiral who spent more time trying to relive his glory days commanding a ship than focusing on commanding Starfleet Operations--I hope he had an amazing deputy chief who picked up all his slack.

Jameson violates the Prime Directive to begin with, and then driven by vanity and ego sets about trying to kill himself with weird and wacky drugs to cover up the mess he made in the first place.

Dougherty just came across as petty (when Picard called him on the mission) and pretty incompetent (he didn't seem to read anything on the Son'a and after working with Ru'afo for a while totally missed that he wasn't going to be talked out of their plan).

Now if there is a poll for Best Flag Officer then Nechayev would definitely get my vote.

Pondwater November 17 2013 12:07 AM

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Nechayev was an itch with a capital B in front.

Sran November 17 2013 12:39 AM

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M'Sharak wrote: (Post 8899186)
Mendez is missing as well.

No, he's not. He's the first option in the poll.

--Sran

Sran November 17 2013 12:49 AM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8899297)
I'm not he hugest Kirk fan, but he was insufferable as an Admiral who spent more time trying to relive his glory days commanding a ship than focusing on commanding Starfleet Operations--I hope he had an amazing deputy chief who picked up all his slack.

To be fair, Kirk was only Chief of Starfleet Operations in TMP. The rest of the films, he was Commandant of Starfleet Academy. I didn't mind his commanding the Enterprise in TWOK, but I didn't agree with his taking the ship away from Decker at TMP's outset. Decker's detractors like to point to his reluctance to enter the cloud as a reason why he shouldn't have led the mission, but there's no way to know that's what he'd have done had he been in Kirk's place and had the weight of the mission on his shoulders.

I actually think Kirk's decision to throw away his career to save Spock would have come across much more powerfully had he been fully committed to the admiralty rather than cruising around with the Enterprise as his flagship. As everyone knew he wasn't happy in a desk job, his eventual demotion to captain became a reward rather than a punishment. There were extenuating circumstances, of course, but that doesn't change the fact that his time as an admiral was forgettable.

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8899297)
Now if there is a poll for Best Flag Officer then Nechayev would definitely get my vote.

Glad to see there's another Nachayev fan around here besides me. I didn't agree with her initial criticism of Picard, but I liked her handling of the Cardassian situation in "Chain of Command." Jellico was the right man for that mission, no matter what Riker and others might think.

Nechayev was also responsible for bringing Mackenzie Calhoun back to Starfleet for the New Frontier series, which earns her a great deal of street credit in my book.

--Sran

M'Sharak November 17 2013 01:03 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8899459)
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M'Sharak wrote: (Post 8899186)
Mendez is missing as well.

No, he's not. He's the first option in the poll.

--Sran

Oops, you're right. Don't know why I missed it.

R. Star November 17 2013 01:23 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8899492)
Glad to see there's another Nachayev fan around here besides me. I didn't agree with her initial criticism of Picard, but I liked her handling of the Cardassian situation in "Chain of Command." Jellico was the right man for that mission, no matter what Riker and others might think.

Nechayev was also responsible for bringing Mackenzie Calhoun back to Starfleet for the New Frontier series, which earns her a great deal of street credit in my book.

--Sran

I voted for Necheyev. Not because she's corrupt or ineffective(quite the opposite) but simply because she's a complete.... well itchy with a B.

I'd also probably vote for her in a most effective admiral poll too. They did seem to tone her tone in the few novels I've read that feature her.

Use of Time November 17 2013 03:14 AM

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I put Nechayev as well. I mean at least with the others they had an agenda whether it be sinister or selfish or whatever. With Nechayev I just sat there thinking, "what is her problem?" She was an asshole from the get go and it didn't really make any sense.

BigJake November 17 2013 03:56 AM

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Admiral Marcus is a clear winner for me, but admittedly it's on account of his crossing the line from Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay-style nuttiness to outright Eeeevil.

My second choice would have been Commodore Stocker, because his mere existence is an affront to Starfleet's honor. A flag officer with zero experience on a starship? Organians preserve us.

Nechayev was always a bit of a prig but always had clear "party line" policy justifications for what she was doing, and was sometimes enough in the right to give Picard convincing reasons to doubt his own judgment. (As in "why the effing hell didn't you destroy the Borg when you had a chance?!" Perfectly understandable, in her position I would be asking that question myself.)

Admiral Pressman likewise had clearly justifiable (albeit at odds with the TNG Federation's hyper-pacifism) reasons for what he was doing.

bbjeg November 17 2013 06:05 AM

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My top three were; Erik Pressman, because he was heartless and developed weapons he wasn't supposed to; Matthew Dougherty, for being manipulative and clueless; and Alexander Marcus, for being a warmonger.

I think Janeway should be an Admiral after all she went through and has knowledge of.

Mr. Laser Beam November 17 2013 06:07 AM

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BigJake wrote: (Post 8900170)
Admiral Marcus is a clear winner for me, but admittedly it's on account of his crossing the line from Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay-style nuttiness to outright Eeeevil.

I second this.


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