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Noddy November 5 2013 04:24 PM

Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
Okay, some minor spoilers here, people, so be warned: From the recently revealed official synopsis, we know that the modern day sequences of Day of the Doctor take place in 2013. It's also long been known that Kate Stewart is returning, after appearing previously in The Power of Three. But, depending on how things go, this creates a bit of a problem: The Power of Three was set several years in our future, around 2018 or so, and that was when Kate first met the Eleventh Doctor......so how can she meet him now, in '13?

Allyn Gibson November 5 2013 04:29 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
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Noddy wrote: (Post 8852344)
Okay, some minor spoilers here, people, so be warned: From the recently revealed official synopsis, we know that the modern day sequences of Day of the Doctor take place in 2013. It's also long been known that Kate Stewart is returning, after appearing previously in The Power of Three. But, depending on how things go, this creates a bit of a problem: The Power of Three was set several years in our future, around 2018 or so, and that was when Kate first met the Eleventh Doctor......so how can she meet him now, in '13?

Chances are, Moffat doesn't care; the casual audience that the series is pitched at probably isn't aware of the timespan of series 7A. If questioned, he'd probably say something like, "Oh, it was only fan supposition that the Ponds' final episodes took place in the future." And if fans question it, he would probably say that they can figure out for themselves how it works.

Noddy November 5 2013 04:34 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
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Allyn Gibson wrote: (Post 8852374)
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Noddy wrote: (Post 8852344)
Okay, some minor spoilers here, people, so be warned: From the recently revealed official synopsis, we know that the modern day sequences of Day of the Doctor take place in 2013. It's also long been known that Kate Stewart is returning, after appearing previously in The Power of Three. But, depending on how things go, this creates a bit of a problem: The Power of Three was set several years in our future, around 2018 or so, and that was when Kate first met the Eleventh Doctor......so how can she meet him now, in '13?

Chances are, Moffat doesn't care; the casual audience that the series is pitched at probably isn't aware of the timespan of series 7A. If questioned, he'd probably say something like, "Oh, it was only fan supposition that the Ponds' final episodes took place in the future." And if fans question it, he would probably say that they can figure out for themselves how it works.

Except it wasn't fan supposition. The Doctor first met adult Amy and Rory in 2010, as is shown multiple times throughout Series 5; after their wedding, they next met the Doctor a year later, making it 2011. Following their Series 6 adventures, the Doctor next met them in The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe, where I believe it was stated that it had been two years since Amy and Rory last saw him, making it Christmas 2013. So all their subsequent stories with him had to have begun after that year, and that includes The Power of Three. The chronology just completely falls apart otherwise.

Emperor-Tiberius November 5 2013 04:38 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
Ah-oh, Moffat's done it again!

Lance November 5 2013 04:41 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. ;)

New Who's "chronology" has never been consistent. The RTD era was allegedly taking place one chronological year after broadcast from every episode commencing with "Aliens Of London" (where the Doctor lands Rose back at her estate, but a year later), but you'd be hard pressed to actually use that as a basis for a proper timeline, and there's just as much evidence to contradict it as there is to support it (even more so once Torchwood meanders into the picture as well).

Unless an explanation is given on-screen, it's best just to ignore it. :)

Noddy November 5 2013 04:42 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
And we can't just bump the date of Amy and Rory's river back a few years, as it was explicitly in 2010, as reinforced several times in Series 5.

Noddy November 5 2013 04:43 PM

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Lance wrote: (Post 8852443)
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. ;)

New Who's "chronology" has never been consistent. The RTD era was allegedly taking place one chronological year after broadcast from every episode commencing with "Aliens Of London" (where the Doctor lands Rose back at her estate, but a year later), but you'd be hard pressed to actually use that as a basis for a proper timeline, and there's just as much evidence to contradict it as there is to support it (even more so once Torchwood meanders into the picture as well).

Unless an explanation is given on-screen, it's best just to ignore it. :)

How does Torchwood muddle up the chronology?

Allyn Gibson November 5 2013 04:43 PM

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Noddy wrote: (Post 8852404)
Except it wasn't fan supposition. The Doctor first met adult Amy and Rory in 2010, as is shown multiple times throughout Series 5; after their wedding, they next met the Doctor a year later, making it 2011. Following their Series 6 adventures, the Doctor next met them in The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe, where I believe it was stated that it had been two years since Amy and Rory last saw him, making it Christmas 2013. So all their subsequent stories with him had to have begun after that year, and that includes The Power of Three. The chronology just completely falls apart otherwise.

Noddy, I don't disagree with you. :)

I'm just saying that Moffat will probably sidestep the question because he'd much rather have his story take place in the present (on the anniversary date, no doubt) and proffer nonsense when asked about it. The only people who would care about the chronology are Lance Parkin and the fans. The casual audience won't give a toss. They won't even be aware that "The Angels Take Manhattan" has the Doctor bringing Amy and Rory from their present in the future to 2012, even though that's logically what had to happen.

Noddy November 5 2013 04:54 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
It's looking like we'll have two options as to how reconcile things:

1) Ignore the original dating of Amy and Rory's present day adventures with the Doctor.

2) Ignore the 2013 date for Day of the Doctor, and assume it takes place several years in the future.

Lance November 5 2013 05:00 PM

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Noddy wrote: (Post 8852449)
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Lance wrote: (Post 8852443)
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. ;)

New Who's "chronology" has never been consistent. The RTD era was allegedly taking place one chronological year after broadcast from every episode commencing with "Aliens Of London" (where the Doctor lands Rose back at her estate, but a year later), but you'd be hard pressed to actually use that as a basis for a proper timeline, and there's just as much evidence to contradict it as there is to support it (even more so once Torchwood meanders into the picture as well).

Unless an explanation is given on-screen, it's best just to ignore it. :)

How does Torchwood muddle up the chronology?

A 2007 episode of Doctor Who, set in 2012, makes mention of Torchwood in a present tense even though the organization was disbanded on-screen by 2009, and even Jack and Gwen's splinter group in Miracle Day (ostensibly set in either 2011 or 2012 depending on who you believe, but if the chronology is consistent then it's gotta be 2012) is not truly Torchwood but merely uses the name.

Torchwood is not by any means the only thing that contradicts itself about New Who's 'chronology', though. :)

Emperor-Tiberius November 5 2013 05:03 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
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Noddy wrote: (Post 8852482)
It's looking like we'll have two options as to how reconcile things:

1) Ignore the original dating of Amy and Rory's present day adventures with the Doctor.

2) Ignore the 2013 date for Day of the Doctor, and assume it takes place several years in the future.

Probably the first one. For all we know, he did meet Amy and Rory earlier than before in the rebooted timeline, with the Daleks invasions having never happened as a result of the crack in time.

The latter date will probably be the one thats adapted, though.

Lance November 5 2013 05:06 PM

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Emperor-Tiberius wrote: (Post 8852503)
For all we know, he did meet Amy and Rory earlier than before in the rebooted timeline, with the Daleks invasions having never happened as a result of the crack in time.

Exactly. Amy's crack has got a lot to answer for. ;)

The truth is, we can't take anything that happened in Doctor Who prior to 2011 for granted, because Series 5 ended with the entire universe being reset. Not just implicitly, like with the Time War, but explicitly reset. It ends, and begins again. So all events in the Doctor Who universe prior to the 2011 series are by their very nature now mutable and may not have happened exactly as we saw them.

Emh November 5 2013 05:06 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
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Lance wrote: (Post 8852443)
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. ;)

New Who's "chronology" has never been consistent. The RTD era was allegedly taking place one chronological year after broadcast from every episode commencing with "Aliens Of London" (where the Doctor lands Rose back at her estate, but a year later), but you'd be hard pressed to actually use that as a basis for a proper timeline, and there's just as much evidence to contradict it as there is to support it (even more so once Torchwood meanders into the picture as well).

Unless an explanation is given on-screen, it's best just to ignore it. :)

Of course, the show has been loose and fancy-free with the chronology for years: U.N.I.T. dating.

My simple solution: Ignore all of it and enjoy the stories.

Lance November 5 2013 05:10 PM

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Emh wrote: (Post 8852518)
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Lance wrote: (Post 8852443)
Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. ;)

New Who's "chronology" has never been consistent. The RTD era was allegedly taking place one chronological year after broadcast from every episode commencing with "Aliens Of London" (where the Doctor lands Rose back at her estate, but a year later), but you'd be hard pressed to actually use that as a basis for a proper timeline, and there's just as much evidence to contradict it as there is to support it (even more so once Torchwood meanders into the picture as well).

Unless an explanation is given on-screen, it's best just to ignore it. :)

Of course, the show has been loose and fancy-free with the chronology for years: U.N.I.T. dating.

My simple solution: Ignore all of it and enjoy the stories.

Very sound advice. :techman:

Emperor-Tiberius November 5 2013 05:37 PM

Re: Kate Stewart in Day of the Doctor (SPOILERS!)
 
You know, I just realized that the crack in time might be able to use as an excuse for the UNIT date inconsistency. In the original order of events, they did occur during the late 70's, early '80's, but in the rebooted one, they happened much earlier.

Thats wishful thinking, of course. But hey, why not? :)


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