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SignGuyHPW October 25 2013 06:00 AM

Why was their not a navigation station?
 
Why was Voyager equipped with only a helm station and not seperate helm and navigation stations like most other ships? They could've put Kim in the Navigation spot instead of whatever his spot was called. It usually seemed that he and Tuvok's roles were similar.

Melakon October 25 2013 06:05 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
For the same reasons DS9's Defiant and ENT's NX-01 didn't have one.

teacake October 25 2013 06:18 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
Technology keeps getting smaller and smaller.

cylkoth October 25 2013 06:28 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
The nav station seems to have been rendered obsolete by the 24th century. Remember that on the Enterprise D, the 2 forward stations were Helm and Con. Voyager's bridge design had the Con station in the rear, on the opposite side with Security.
Since the computer was sophisticated enough that it could pilot the ship on auto, the advancements made by Ent D's time made it unnecessary.
As for the much earlier NX-01, you could hand wave it away as the ship being smaller and with the slower engines, technobabble, etc...

Melakon October 25 2013 06:55 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
Personally, I think it was so that they didn't have to hire a non-speaking extra to sit in the extra seat. They already had Travis doing that on the NX anyway. :shifty:

teacake October 25 2013 06:59 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
You know what was annoying about Travis never speaking.. when he did speak he sounded fine. Actor was good, even managed to come out with his wide eyed yeehaw lines and it wasn't annoying at all. There was no reason to have him say so very little.

Christopher October 25 2013 01:49 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
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cylkoth wrote: (Post 8811874)
The nav station seems to have been rendered obsolete by the 24th century. Remember that on the Enterprise D, the 2 forward stations were Helm and Con. Voyager's bridge design had the Con station in the rear, on the opposite side with Security.

No, they were conn (meaning helm) and ops (meaning ship operations). On TNG, Data was the operations manager and manned the ops station; on VGR, Harry Kim held that post.

It's only on TOS that there were separate helm and navigation stations. In all the 24th-century shows and Enterprise, they were combined into the single conn station (though I think it was called the helm station in ENT).

King Daniel Into Darkness October 25 2013 05:34 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
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Melakon wrote: (Post 8811772)
For the same reasons DS9's Defiant and ENT's NX-01 didn't have one.

It bugged me that Enterprise NX-01 didn't have one. Piloting a giant starship and FTL speeds should be a two-man job before it becomes a one-man job!

Melakon October 25 2013 06:29 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
Yes, the single station struck me as a 24th century anachronism for a ship that predated Kirk's.

Christopher October 25 2013 06:31 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
I always figured NX-01 only needed the one station because it was a smaller ship with a less complicated propulsion system. Or something. Maybe they started out assuming only one pilot would be needed, then realized that put a lot of demands on one person and it'd be easier to make it a two-person job, but then eventually the automation got advanced enough that only one person was needed after all.

R. Star October 25 2013 06:34 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8813107)
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Melakon wrote: (Post 8811772)
For the same reasons DS9's Defiant and ENT's NX-01 didn't have one.

It bugged me that Enterprise NX-01 didn't have one. Piloting a giant starship and FTL speeds should be a two-man job before it becomes a one-man job!

So you wanna cut Mayweather's screen time in half? Poor guy. He'd be the Morn of ENT then.

cylkoth October 25 2013 08:52 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
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Christopher wrote: (Post 8812567)
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cylkoth wrote: (Post 8811874)
The nav station seems to have been rendered obsolete by the 24th century. Remember that on the Enterprise D, the 2 forward stations were Helm and Con. Voyager's bridge design had the Con station in the rear, on the opposite side with Security.

No, they were conn (meaning helm) and ops (meaning ship operations). On TNG, Data was the operations manager and manned the ops station; on VGR, Harry Kim held that post.

''Ops!'' Thank you. I have no idea why I said conn. Khaaaaan!! And the moment I read your post, I can clearly recall VOY's pilot, where Harry assumes the Ops station.

My Trek Instant Recall Fu is weak indeed. I'm getting old. ;)

Lance October 26 2013 01:38 AM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
The question therefore needs to be reframed as: why did designer Richard James choose to move ops to the back of Voyager's bridge, instead of it being a second station at the front like it had been on the 1701-D and 1701-E? Was it to make it easier for the directors to compose shots?

xvicente October 26 2013 02:00 AM

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Was it to make it easier for the directors to compose shots?
Sure it was. Tha same as every bridge set since ST V and VI implemeted those desks so Spock and Uhura not face the wall and shoved the turbolift doors aside.

Kirk's bridge was so that the captain had a view of most instruments from his chair. In Voyager not only the captain but even the very officers (Tuvok and Kim mostly) manning the stations had the screens at their backs. And bars.

King Daniel Into Darkness October 26 2013 05:24 PM

Re: Why was their not a navigation station?
 
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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8813290)
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8813107)
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Melakon wrote: (Post 8811772)
For the same reasons DS9's Defiant and ENT's NX-01 didn't have one.

It bugged me that Enterprise NX-01 didn't have one. Piloting a giant starship and FTL speeds should be a two-man job before it becomes a one-man job!

So you wanna cut Mayweather's screen time in half? Poor guy. He'd be the Morn of ENT then.

Nah, have a transporter malfunction duplicate him and we can have side-by-side Mayweathers!


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