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The Johnson October 22 2013 04:40 PM

Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
How did this happen if so?

I thought the 'rule' was that only 1 species could evolve per planet.

If this is commonly asked i apologise and you can delete this and point me in the direction of another thread.

R. Star October 22 2013 04:54 PM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
Yes they did. This was pointed out a few episodes into the Xindi arc when they found the debris field.

As for the "rule" there really wasn't one. Precedent maybe, but that's different. Heck Earth had two sentient species, so did Andoria and that's without even thinking hard.

Melakon October 22 2013 05:28 PM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
I just watched the 3rd season opener "The Xindi". Archer obtains a body part from a Xindi-primate which Phlox compares against the corpse found in season 2's "The Expanse". He notes that DNA between the two specimens is nearly identical, even though the corpse was Xindi-reptilian, and agrees with Archer's suggestion comparing the difference as similar to that between modern humans and Neanderthals.

jespah October 22 2013 06:33 PM

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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8800084)
Yes they did. This was pointed out a few episodes into the Xindi arc when they found the debris field.

As for the "rule" there really wasn't one. Precedent maybe, but that's different. Heck Earth had two sentient species, so did Andoria and that's without even thinking hard.

Happened in Dear Doctor, too (Valakians and Menk).

The Johnson October 22 2013 06:40 PM

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Rabid Bat wrote: (Post 8800504)
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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8800084)
Yes they did. This was pointed out a few episodes into the Xindi arc when they found the debris field.

As for the "rule" there really wasn't one. Precedent maybe, but that's different. Heck Earth had two sentient species, so did Andoria and that's without even thinking hard.

Happened in Dear Doctor, too (Valakians and Menk).

That episode is the one where they claim each planet can only have 1 sentient species.

R. Star October 22 2013 08:18 PM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
Not sure what "that episode" is. Phlox just spouts out some Darwinist crap about one species suppressing the other as a justification for not helping them.

Hober Mallow October 22 2013 08:38 PM

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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8800933)
Not sure what "that episode" is. Phlox just spouts out some Darwinist crap about one species suppressing the other as a justification for not helping them.

It's not even Darwinist, it's just pseudoscientific nonsense.

Tiberius October 23 2013 02:38 AM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
I don't see how soecies as different as the reptilians, aquatics and humanoids and insectoids could be as closely related as Phlox says. I don't have a problem with a planet producing several species of intelligent life, but to claim that an insect, reptile and mammal could be as closely related as humans and neanderthals is just ridiculous.

Gaith October 23 2013 03:03 AM

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The Johnson wrote: (Post 8800519)
That episode is the one where they claim each planet can only have 1 sentient species.

IIRC, they say that most planets whose inhabitants get to the warp stage of civilization only have one fully sentient species, and for the same reason we Terrans no longer have neanderthals: different tribes tend not to mix too nicely in the prehistoric stage.

Tiberius October 23 2013 10:56 AM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
Indeed, given that Humans have only had practical intercontinental travel for a few hundred years, I think it is entirely plausible that different kinds of intelligent species could have evolved on the same planet. It would, of course, depend a great deal on the planet's geographic distribution, but if there are large continents that have not been connected for a long time, then one continent could have been home to the insectiods, another to the arborials, etc

iguana_tonante October 23 2013 12:43 PM

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Hober Mallow wrote: (Post 8801032)
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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8800933)
Not sure what "that episode" is. Phlox just spouts out some Darwinist crap about one species suppressing the other as a justification for not helping them.

It's not even Darwinist, it's just pseudoscientific nonsense.

It's definitively non Darwinist. (And actually, "Darwinist" doesn't mean anything. It's just a buzzword used by those who oppose evolutionary science.)

Nebusj October 25 2013 12:28 AM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 8803744)
Indeed, given that Humans have only had practical intercontinental travel for a few hundred years, I think it is entirely plausible that different kinds of intelligent species could have evolved on the same planet.

I admit finding it hard that many different kinds of civilizable life would evolve on a single planet; it seems improbable. But, anyone paying attention to biology the past two decades and the discovery of how bizarre extremophiles can get should be a little humble about proclaiming things impossible, and it is, after all, a huge universe out there.

(And the Star Trek universe is also one with abundant meddlesome entities of incredible power and unclear agendas, just in case something can't possibly happen on its own, and I would try not to be dogmatic in declaring this can't possibly happen on its own.)

Harbinger October 25 2013 01:27 AM

Re: Did the Xindi all evolve on 1 planet?
 
Three intelligent species evolved on Earth in the ST universe: Humans, Dinosaurs (Voth) and the Whales (who were in communication with that mysterious race/vessel in STIV: The Voyage Home). So, technically we are also a planet with a highly intelligent Primate, Reptilian and Aquatic species. Only difference is humans and Voth didn't evolve at the same time and I guess with the whales, we just never knew how smart they were....

T'Girl October 25 2013 02:08 AM

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Harbinger wrote: (Post 8811088)
... and the Whales (who were in communication with that mysterious race/vessel in STIV: The Voyage Home).

... and I guess with the whales, we just never knew how smart they were....

Spock was able to mind meld with a whale, she expressed awareness of the treatment of her species. This showed intelligence.


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Gaith October 25 2013 04:07 AM

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^ Unfortunately, the whale then mentioned that she was an ABBA fan, and Spock therefore wrote her and her kind off. :p


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