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LMFAOschwarz October 22 2013 05:43 AM

Alien points of view
 
I remember reading something, somewhere, at some time, about how The Next Generation had to work at giving characters points of view that seemed "alien". The specific example that I recall they were proud of was Worf letting the Romulan die in The Enemy.

Fast-backward to the original Star Trek. They didn't seem to have any trouble with it. A personal favorite of mine was The Savage Curtain. The rock-creature "Yarnek" had allowed the Enterprise crew to watch the battle on their screen, saying something like "...so they too can enjoy and profit from it." I love how he just assumed that the humans will see the value of his good vs. evil test. I mean, it makes sense to him, why wouldn't everyone else?

There are other examples which escape me, but I always liked these touches! :)

ZapBrannigan October 22 2013 07:38 AM

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I like the scene in "Elaan of Troyius" where Elaan blithely says, "I have eliminated that problem."

Kirk says, "You've eliminated the teacher. The problem still remains."

She was a great character.

CommishSleer October 22 2013 08:15 AM

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When Spock mind-melded. Particularly with the Medusan and also with the Horta. We got to see things from an alien point of view.

In Day of the Dove, Marla is concerned about the Federation Death Camps.

Tiberius October 22 2013 09:31 AM

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In "Day of the Dove" when Kang's wife is telling him that the life support readouts are getting steady, Kang says, "Cause them to be unsteady." Just the phrasing of that makes me feel like it's a direct literal translation from Klingon or something rather than just finding an equivalent sentence in English, like "Make them unsteady."

Metryq October 22 2013 09:53 AM

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"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man."
—Klingon from "Day of the Dove"

Forbin October 22 2013 01:13 PM

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^The Medusan meld! I just watched that last weekend. Collos/Spock's little speech about the loneliness of being confined to a physical body, how alone we all are even amongst other people, and how none of us have truly mastered simple communication. Beautiful.

LMFAOschwarz October 22 2013 09:09 PM

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ZapBrannigan wrote: (Post 8799157)
I like the scene in "Elaan of Troyius" where Elaan blithely says, "I have eliminated that problem."

Kirk says, "You've eliminated the teacher. The problem still remains."

She was a great character.

Funny you should mention her: I just watched that episode last night before bed. I always loved her line, "I have given your crew permission not to kneel in our presence, what else do you want?" :lol: I cannot picture any other actress bringing that character to life like she did.

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 8799271)
In "Day of the Dove" when Kang's wife is telling him that the life support readouts are getting steady, Kang says, "Cause them to be unsteady." Just the phrasing of that makes me feel like it's a direct literal translation from Klingon or something rather than just finding an equivalent sentence in English, like "Make them unsteady."

Good one! I've heard it a million times, but I never though of that line like that! :techman:

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Forbin wrote: (Post 8799478)
^The Medusan meld! I just watched that last weekend. Collos/Spock's little speech about the loneliness of being confined to a physical body, how alone we all are even amongst other people, and how none of us have truly mastered simple communication. Beautiful.

That is a wonderfully written and played scene! :)

Rayna October 23 2013 06:14 AM

Re: Alien points of view
 
The complexity of Vulcan culture is an example in itself. We get to see a lot of aspects of it- the rituals, the gestures, the ideology.. Notably in Amok Time and Journey to Babel, but really across the whole series.

T'Girl October 23 2013 09:23 AM

Re: Alien points of view
 
Between Amanda and Kirk, two Humans ...

Amanda: "You don't understand the Vulcan way, Captain. It's logical. It's a better way than ours."

Sounds like Amanda has been drinking the Vulcan kool-aid.



:devil:

Metryq October 23 2013 10:18 PM

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Unspeakable wrote: (Post 8803627)
Sounds like Amanda has been drinking the Vulcan kool-aid.

My thoughts, also, especially since she tears into Spock and Sarek later: "Logic, logic! I'm sick to death of logic. Do you want to know how I feel about your logic?"

jayrath October 23 2013 11:17 PM

Re: Alien points of view
 
For truly alien points of view, you can't do much better than giant flying brain cells that whack onto your back, or a sentient cloud that consumes red blood cells. We never did really understand either of them. And of course, the salt vampire, the bloodless war of Eminiar 7 (sp?), Landru and his world -- all pretty alien.

Corylea October 24 2013 01:00 AM

Re: Alien points of view
 
One of the neat things about "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is that Gary Mitchell's point of view BECOMES alien once he's been deified by contact with the galactic barrier. It's an effectively creepy way of making it clear that this person is no longer really Gary Mitchell, one that works at least as well as the glowing eyeballs.

And I agree with Rayna; I love the portrayals of Vulcan culture and how like-us but not-like-us they can be.

LMFAOschwarz October 29 2013 04:51 AM

Re: Alien points of view
 
I just remembered today that the Horta's 'NO KILL I' seared into the rock is another good example.

Corylea October 30 2013 10:44 PM

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I thought Eleen's line in "Friday's Child" was a good example of an alien point of view. Maab is going to kill Eleen because she's carrying the child of the previous ruler, and Kirk interferes and saves her. Her response is "I was proud to obey the laws. Kill him first. He laid hands upon me. It is my right to see him die."

Whoa. Guess these people don't think like us.

Metryq October 31 2013 10:39 AM

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Corylea wrote: (Post 8830954)
Whoa. Guess these people don't think like us.

Really—abort the mother with the baby. Or was it something about bath water?


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