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Dimesdan October 14 2013 10:44 AM

Khan - New IDW mini series - SPOILERS!!!!!
 
So with this out on Wednesday, SFX.co.uk have an interview with Mike Johnson concerning the series:

link

JarodRussell October 14 2013 12:50 PM

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Trying to capture what Montalban brought to the character which is kind of a charm, like he’s very sort of manipulative and charming in the original episode. But then in Into Darkness especially, he’s so angry, he’s like a bullet firing from a gun in that movie.
At least this guy has figured out that nuKhan isn't Khan.

Nob Akimoto October 14 2013 02:06 PM

Re: Khan - New IDW mini series - SPOILERS!!!!!
 
As much as I'm disappointed with the fact that it appears he'll always look like Cumberbatch in the whole thing, the writer seems to have really done his homework. The artists, too, seem to have done a pretty good job, look at the booster equipped DY-100, for example.

Christopher October 14 2013 02:19 PM

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I'm not comfortable with the "evil for evil's sake" bit. Khan wanted power, yes, but I think he believed his motives were benevolent, that he deserved to rule for the greater good. "Space Seed" says that he didn't start wars of aggression and that there were no massacres under his rule.

As for the "booster equipped DY-100," that's based on an illustration created for the Star Trek Chronology and later used in the Encyclopedia and in the set dressings for the 602 Club in ENT.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File...0_painting.jpg

Mr. Laser Beam October 14 2013 02:21 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8768737)
I'm not comfortable with the "evil for evil's sake" bit.

About time somebody got back to basics.

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Khan wanted power, yes, but I think he believed his motives were benevolent, that he deserved to rule for the greater good.
Who cares what Khan believed? Evil is evil, whether or not Khan THINKS he is evil does not change the fact THAT he is.

And anyone who thinks Khan is such a good guy should really read Seeds of Dissent.

Nob Akimoto October 14 2013 04:02 PM

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Well he does say:
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We know that in “Space Seed” they talk about Khan being the best of tyrants, that he ruled with… how do I put this? He wasn’t a cruel ruler. There’s this famous line where in the episode they say he didn’t start wars until he was attacked. So it’s that sort of taking little things and extrapolating, “Well, what does that mean?”, like someone else attacked him first and then the war started?
Basically he's saying that while Khan might think he's a good guy ruling for the greater good, that he's still a meglomaniac and still evil. He's trying to disabuse the whole "the guy's puppy died as a kid and therefore he was traumatized" stuff.

Christopher October 14 2013 04:31 PM

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But the point is that, while Khan did evil, he didn't do it "for evil's sake." He didn't just go "Okay, I'll be the villain of the story." He did what he did for the sake of the greater good as he perceived it.

Mr. Laser Beam October 14 2013 04:35 PM

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^ Again, irrelevant. Evil is evil; reasons don't matter.

Nob Akimoto October 14 2013 04:44 PM

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Based on the interview alone, I'm inclined to think he's just saying that Khan's just willing to do evil things and that's part of his personality, even if he believes himself to be justified. I just think you're perhaps blowing that one line about evil for evil's sake as meaning something it's not meant to mean in the context of the interview.

Hartzilla2007 October 14 2013 11:37 PM

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Nob Akimoto wrote: (Post 8769172)
Based on the interview alone, I'm inclined to think he's just saying that Khan's just willing to do evil things and that's part of his personality, even if he believes himself to be justified.

Which is pretty much being consistent about Khan, lets remember that for all the best of the tyrants stuff he was planning to take the Enterprise's senior officers and torture them to death in a decompression chamber while making the rest of them watch until they did his bidding and then when he got his ass kicked was planing to blow the whole ship up.

Nob Akimoto October 15 2013 12:03 AM

Re: Khan - New IDW mini series - SPOILERS!!!!!
 
Right. A "decent" tyrant is still a tyrant.

iguana_tonante October 15 2013 12:06 AM

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George Steinbrenner wrote: (Post 8769133)
^ Again, irrelevant. Evil is evil; reasons don't matter.

Of course, do you realize that refusing to see the world in anything but an utterly uncompromising view of black-vs-white, us-vs-them, makes you evil, right?

JarodRussell October 15 2013 12:14 AM

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But a decent tyrant is still decent. If you had a choice between a Hitler who was not going to exterminate the Jews, and the Hitler we got, wouldn't you opt for the moderate one?

Nob Akimoto October 15 2013 12:21 AM

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Is it an either or between those two?

It's like how Stalin apologists love to claim dude defeated fascism.

Okay, great. How many people wound up dead anyway?

Christopher October 15 2013 01:16 AM

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I'm not debating morality here. I'm talking about characterization and the intelligence of the writing. Three-dimensional villains, characters who have comprehensible motivations and internal contradictions, are more interesting to read about than one-dimensional villains whose writers see them as simply "evil" and thus make no effort to understand or relate to. When I write villains, I try to get into their heads, to figure out how their choices and beliefs make sense to them and why they think what they're doing is right, even if their morality is totally twisted from my perspective. Seeing a character as "evil for evil's sake" seems distancing to me, like the speaker is looking at them from the outside and is uninterested in delving into such character complexities. I hope that's not what the writer meant by that line, but it's not an encouraging statement.


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