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DavidGutierrez October 10 2013 10:55 PM

Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Consider this scene from "Scientific Method":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-917vo9C8

How in the heck are there as many as thirteen departments on a ship as small as Voyager? And, why are they reporting to Tuvok? TNG seemed to suggest that department heads reported to Riker, not Data or Worf (second officer and chief of security, respectively).

For that matter, how could there be thirteen departments on any Federation starship? What would they be?

And, isn't security a department? So, isn't Tuvok a department head also? Why are department heads reporting to another department head? And, now we have fourteen departments on Voyager!

Thoughts?

R. Star October 10 2013 11:55 PM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
One, I can concede Janeway just used the comment 13 including Tuvok's for convenience's sake. She wasn't in her right mind at the time so details weren't high up on her list.

Two, I can accept them reporting to Tuvok because let's face it... Chakotay is just the token Maquis to keep the rest in line. A former terrorist is questionable, but she knows Tuvok is loyal. If Chakotay was handling that stuff, well he might start getting ideas of being Janeway's equal.

Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.

Ensign_Redshirt October 11 2013 12:01 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
I'm going with the theory that Janeway just made that up that moment.

I mean, Tuvok wasn't serious either about that floggin comment in that scene.

Guy Gardener October 11 2013 12:08 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Well, they would be reporting to him on security matters, not on crew performance.

At least, there's one security guard stationed in every department on the ship, and the department heads tell him if his security are doing their jobs and the security tells Tuvok if the Department heads are doing their job.

Seska.

Michael Jonas.

The Doctor (in Flesh and Blood & Equinox.)

Janeway (Well, the Doctor, but that's thepoint.) in Renaisance Man.

Or less insidious incursions like Quicksilver Tom and Harry.

Tuvok should have been fired for letting 40 aliens traipse about Voyager unchecked for months in Scientific Method.

Both times it happened (Flesh and Blood again.).

Seriously, Seska had a murderous hologram programmed to kill every one if she'd disappeared for two years, but Tuvok just lets Aliens take his ship without the merest hint of a booby trap.

Is Neelix a department head, or is the hedhog under the umbrella of whoever is in charge of the replicators?

I'd guess that the number of the 13 departments are in escapable no matter the size of the ship, even if the man power and admin looking after all those departments is consolidated.

Timewalker October 11 2013 01:30 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8753518)
Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.

WTF?! ASTROLOGY???

So they had a department for casting horoscopes?

R. Star October 11 2013 01:33 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
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Timewalker wrote: (Post 8753956)
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GoRe Star wrote: (Post 8753518)
Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.

WTF?! ASTROLOGY???

So they had a department for casting horoscopes?

Astrophysics maybe. Oops. Though horoscopes might just make sense for some of the magic tricks they pull. ;)

Guy Gardener October 11 2013 01:57 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Stellar Cartography. One of the DeLanney sisters worked there in season 1.

If Voyager had a Science Officer, which it didn't, I would have put Stellar Cartography under The Science (Applied Sciences?) Department's remit and letterhead...

Although Janeway had no respect for Stellar Cartography.

Quote:

From Deathwish, talking about Quinn.
JANEWAY: We could shut down Stellar Cartography with all the knowledge he'd bring to the job.
Then along came Astrometrics.

All those poor Stellar Cartographers put out of work so that the Astrometricians have something to do.

lurok October 11 2013 07:34 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
So I wonder where those poor Stellar Cartographers get reassigned?

Plasma duct cleaning?

Bry_Sinclair October 11 2013 09:14 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
The poor Delaney Sisters.

Guy Gardener October 11 2013 10:33 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
One of them was in love with Harry.

Sounds about ready for the rubbish tip to me.

Nebusj October 11 2013 10:20 PM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
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DavidGutierrez wrote: (Post 8753221)
Thoughts?

Well, heck, the Department of Shuttlecraft alone could be like three-quarters the ship's staff.

Guy Gardener October 11 2013 10:41 PM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Part of the Operations remit is resource management, which means that Harry had to count all the tricorders and phasers, making sure that they were all put back in their cupboards at the end of the day.

That could cover Shuttles and other large hardware?

(How many dune buggies did Voyager have? Seriously, that's (also) what the transporters in the cargo bay are for. Paris is gunning the engine so that the buggy is already grunting at ninety towards the hills before it's even finished materializing.)

Morale Officer seems like the person who should be in charge of the holodeck.

Was there Neelix, and then there was a REAL Morale Officer too?

Melakon October 11 2013 11:02 PM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
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Guy Gardener wrote: (Post 8758150)
Was there Neelix, and then there was a REAL Morale Officer too?

The real Morale Officer was always busy scrubbing down the holodecks after Tuvok and Vorik were finished with the Vulcan Love Slave programs.

R. Star October 11 2013 11:50 PM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Can't you just make a holographic janitor clean up that kinda mess?

Melakon October 12 2013 12:27 AM

Re: Wait, How Many Departments?
 
Do I need to remind you about holographic janitor Dejaren (Leland Orser) in "Revulsion", and how well he worked out? ;)


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