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Sam_I_Am October 9 2013 10:50 PM

Homosexuals and Deltans
 
So, maybe this has been discussed, maybe it hasn't, but what do you suppose happens when, for example, a gay human male meets a female Deltan? Will her pheromones attract him or not?

King Daniel Into Darkness October 9 2013 11:02 PM

Re: Homosexuals and Deltans
 
I suspect that, if anything, they'd get a mild headache like hetero women do around Orion females (ENT: "Bound")

Melakon October 9 2013 11:04 PM

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Probably the same thing that happens when a gay human male meets a human female. A better question would be, is a gay human male affected by a gay male Deltan? Or does a heterosexual human male suddenly get attracted to a gay male Deltan?

Mr. Laser Beam October 10 2013 01:16 AM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8748766)
A better question would be, is a gay human male affected by a gay male Deltan? Or does a heterosexual human male suddenly get attracted to a gay male Deltan?

My guesses would be: yes on the first, no on the second.

TheGoodStuff October 10 2013 01:25 AM

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Its pretty simple.

These 'super pheromones' should heighten sexual urges. So for a gay man/woman that would still attract them to the same gender of Deltan that they have always been attracted to.

TheRoyalFamily October 10 2013 02:05 AM

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TheGoodStuff wrote: (Post 8749477)
Its pretty simple.

These 'super pheromones' should heighten sexual urges. So for a gay man/woman that would still attract them to the same gender of Deltan that they have always been attracted to.

That depends on how the pheromones work. If they are "merely" aphrodisiacs, what you say is correct. But if they work like Orion pheromones, ie working on specific sexes, then things would be different (though even then, it depends on just what the mechanism the pheromones use to get the reaction, and what specifically causes the homosexuality in the human).

R. Star October 10 2013 02:07 AM

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Given the whole purpose of pheromones is to further the cause of procreation, I would think they would be tooled towards the opposite sex.

Mr. Laser Beam October 10 2013 03:18 AM

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^ But in Deltan society, sex isn't just for procreation. It is part of literally every facet of their lives. Deltans are pretty much f*cking all the time. So it would seem that their bodies would produce pheromones constantly, to serve this purpose.

Sector 7 October 10 2013 04:38 AM

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Since I was born hard-wired for attraction to the same gender, the Deltan pheromones would either attract me to male Deltans or not work on me.

Bry_Sinclair October 10 2013 10:43 AM

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It's been a while since I saw TMP, but I don't recall any mention there of Deltan's having overpowering pheromones (of course I could be wrong). From what I gathered they were just a very open and 'hedonistic' people, for who sex is an expressive part of their society, whilst also being very intense (most likely due to their telepathy)—for a people like that pheromones wouldn't really be necessary, as they would just have consensual sex with whoever they wanted. Which is why Ilia (and presumably all other who chose to leave Delta IV) took an Oath of Celibacy—as she says, to protect the “sexually immature” species they would encounter. If pheromones were involved, in order to live a life off of Delta IV they would need to take something that would suppress them or else they'd face sexual abuse and unwanted advances everywhere they went.

As for whether a homosexual man/woman would be attracted to an opposite sexed Deltan, I would say no. I do find some women pretty/stunning/attractive, but have no desire to sleep with them, and her being bald wouldn't change my opinion.

That's just my take on it.

R. Star October 10 2013 10:45 AM

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They do have pheromones but when they go into space they're given medicine to suppress them and take the oath of celibacy while off world.

Bry_Sinclair October 10 2013 10:47 AM

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^ Where was that established, like I said I'm a little rusty on my TMP.

Robert Comsol October 10 2013 10:49 AM

Re: Homosexuals and Deltans
 
Which reminds me to ask a question after having watched STID: At first, it didn't occur to me that this captain could have been Deltan.

After seeing his female and equally bald-headed counterpart in STID and other "baldies" (no offense) I'm starting to wonder how many Deltans are involved in nuTrek or not.

Bob

jpv2000 October 10 2013 01:18 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8750800)
^ Where was that established, like I said I'm a little rusty on my TMP.

Yeah, they have super strong pheromones. It was explained in detail in GR's Star Trek The Motion Picture novel. You could probably read about it on Memory Alpha as well for any other sources.

Trek Survivor October 10 2013 01:52 PM

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jpv2000 wrote: (Post 8751064)
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8750800)
^ Where was that established, like I said I'm a little rusty on my TMP.

Yeah, they have super strong pheromones. It was explained in detail in GR's Star Trek The Motion Picture novel. You could probably read about it on Memory Alpha as well for any other sources.

Though technically it's only the movies/TV shows that are canonical...


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