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Agenda October 6 2013 05:27 PM

Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
Did you think it was clever or did you think it was cheesy? Did it add to the film or did it completely take you out of it? Just a basic survey.

DonIago October 6 2013 05:51 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
It was a little out of left field, but under the circumstances SpockPrime is such a potential resource that it would be stupid -not- to contact him. In a worst-case scenario Our Heroes are no worse off than they already were.

grendelsbayne October 6 2013 05:52 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
I'd call it a bit of a wash. I thought the Spock/Spock interaction was nice, and in terms of Nimoy's lines, a definite improvement on what I thought was some terrible writing in the cave scenes in 09. However, the timing was pretty forced and Old Spock somehow managed to set Khan up as some unbeatable titan of an enemy without actually providing any useful information.

DonIago October 6 2013 06:00 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
To be fair, based on how the scene was handled I don't think we saw everything the two Spocks said to each other.

BeatleJWOL October 6 2013 06:09 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
Nearly knocked me out of my chair. Kinda like a certain scene in The Dark Knight Rises...

I loved it.

OpenMaw October 6 2013 06:33 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
*Shrugs*

As much as I love Spock, old or new, I felt it wasn't needed. Much like making Harrison Khan, Spock gave this new era of Trek an old guard blessing, his return felt strictly to be fan service. Which is fine, but personally I would have left it out. Literally, nothing in the exchange, or what is implied in the exchange, is paid off later. NuSpock could just have easily come up with the idea to trick Khan, and it would have played very nicely into the role reversal theme already present in the film. :)

LobsterAfternoon October 6 2013 06:56 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
While it didn't derail the movie or anything like that, I personally disliked it. It sorta makes the nu Trek Spock look incompetent, and it seemed like sort of a bold assumption on his part that his counterpart would've also encountered Khan. And as others have said in other threads, it sorta paints Khan as this Joker-esque bad guy that he never really was. He had two appearances, one of which was admittedly very awesome, but that's it.

DonIago October 6 2013 07:05 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
Wouldn't it be more incompetent -not- to at least try to find out whether SpockPrime knew anything about Khan?

As I said above, in a worst-case scenario Our Heroes have nothing to lose.

BigJake October 6 2013 07:17 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
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Agenda wrote: (Post 8735719)
Did you think it was clever or did you think it was cheesy? Did it add to the film or did it completely take you out of it? Just a basic survey.

I don't know if Nimoy's demanding these cameos or under some kind of contractual obligation -- but it was gratuitous. It mostly seems to be there so Prime Spock can reassure the audience that Khan is menacing and dangerous. Its ostensible in-story function seems to be to inspire NuSpock to an act of desperation, but he shouldn't have needed it by that point; all the pieces were in place for NuSpock to make that leap by himself.

Chemahkuu October 6 2013 07:33 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
I liked it, found nothing wrong with it and did not "derail" or otherwise interfere with the flow of the film for me no matter how many times I've seen it.

Jesus, does nobody have a job or social life at the moment?

WarpFactorZ October 6 2013 07:34 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
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DonIago wrote: (Post 8735872)
To be fair, based on how the scene was handled I don't think we saw everything the two Spocks said to each other.

Yes, the scene obviously ended while they were in mid-conversation, which was by design. NuSpock asked "How? [did you defeat Khan]", leaving the impression that nuSpock learns about the circumstances surrounding Prime Spock's death. Later in engineering, the dying Kirk tells Spock "It's what you would have done" (because it was the only "logical" course of action). You can see Spock shocked by that statement, if you watch closely, as if he was saying to himself "Holy sh!t! That's exactly right!".

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DonIago wrote:
Wouldn't it be more incompetent -not- to at least try to find out whether SpockPrime knew anything about Khan?

As I said above, in a worst-case scenario Our Heroes have nothing to lose.

True. And, if he really didn't want to tell them, he could have called on some STIV dialogue.

nuSpock: "Did you ever encounter someone named 'Khan'?"

oldSpock: "If I were human, I believe my response would be 'Go to hell!' Spock out!"

Franklin October 6 2013 07:35 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
In an interview, Nimoy said the difference between this cameo and the one he turned down in GEN was that in GEN the lines could've been given to any character (and basically were). In STID, he believed the story lent itself to the idea that Spock would contact Spock Prime about Khan.

His take on the necessity of the scene was that it cleared up any ambiguity for Spock about what kind of person they were dealing with. Hearing Spock Prime's personal experience made it known without a doubt that Spock was dealing with a maniac.

By the way, Nimoy also says he believes Abrams picked up "Star Trek" and elevated it, and he's grateful for that. If Abrams ever phoned him again, he'd take the call.

Here's the link to the entire interview:
http://www.startrek.com/article/excl...-into-darkness

Agenda October 6 2013 07:37 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8736295)
Jesus, does nobody have a job or social life at the moment?

Yes. I do. Do you?

Kelthaz October 6 2013 08:20 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8736295)
I liked it, found nothing wrong with it and did not "derail" or otherwise interfere with the flow of the film for me no matter how many times I've seen it.

Jesus, does nobody have a job or social life at the moment?

So you're saying that people discussing this are losers with no lives? And yet here you are ... you want to rethink that position?

As for Spock Prime, it was dumb, fan-wanky nonsense. These films are supposed to be a reboot, but throwing in a Prime timeline character goes against that. Imagine if in The Dark Knight Batman calls up Adam West's Batman for advice on taking down the Joker? That's how Spock Prime's scene felt to me.

WarpFactorZ October 6 2013 08:59 PM

Re: Do you like the Spock Prime "Phone a friend" scene?
 
On further thought, I realized that this conversation couldn't have really been that productive anyway.

nuSpock: "How did you defeat him?"

Spock: "We flew into a nebula and were able to destroy his ship with a few phaser blasts and torpedo shots."

nuSpock: "You mean the USS Vengeance, right, that huge, hulking, uberpowerful dreadnought that ripped our ship apart even with shields up?"

Spock: ".... Uh... Um... Sorry, I think you guys are SOL." - click


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