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Cadet49 September 29 2013 10:52 PM

What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
What happened to the rest of Vengeance's crew when Khan took over? Did they try to re-take the ship from him, after he took over the bridge?

BillJ September 29 2013 10:57 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Went through the windshield when the Vengeance crashed. I'm guessing Starfleet doesn't use genuine GM parts. :eek:

starburst September 30 2013 12:10 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Any that were still alive would have died in the crash, Sulu said no one should have been able to survive.

I can bet though that Khan shut down life support to avoid any remaining crew to try and retake the Bridge, where as the ones on the Bridge he may have already killed (or at least planned to) before Spock's trick took the Vengence down.

Set Harth September 30 2013 02:07 PM

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starburst wrote: (Post 8708176)
Any that were still alive would have died in the crash, Sulu said no one should have been able to survive.

I still don't get why he said that. How would he know? It's not like the ship exploded on impact. Given the nature of the crash it seems entirely possible that a few regular people could have survived.

Chemahkuu September 30 2013 02:21 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Lower decks, splatted on impact or drowned when in the stardrives traumatic severance and submertion.

Saucer, likely battered to death or crushed outright.

Bridge, well something of mass had to impact the viewscreen hard enough to smash it through...

drt September 30 2013 02:53 PM

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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8708431)
Lower decks, splatted on impact or drowned when in the stardrives traumatic severance and submertion.

The people in the secondary hull (if any) probably started to have a bad day when the torpedoes exploded.

DonIago September 30 2013 03:32 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Under the circumstances I think it's a minor miracle the warp core apparently didn't breach.

Then again, maybe Khan ejected it beforehand because he wasn't feeling completely suicidal.

Kevman7987 September 30 2013 06:17 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Hmm. Khan did beam our main cast into the Enterprise' brig. Maybe the unconscious Section 31 mercenaries and Robocop's corpse ended up being beamed over too?

Chemahkuu September 30 2013 07:03 PM

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Kevman7987 wrote: (Post 8709007)
Hmm. Khan did beam our main cast into the Enterprise' brig. Maybe the unconscious Section 31 mercenaries and Robocop's corpse ended up being beamed over too?

Since that would have meant about 5 other beams on the bridge, and we only see the 3 of the Enterprise crew, nope. He just left them.

Shilliam Watner September 30 2013 07:28 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
I agree with the poster above. I think when the saucer stopped from it's destruction through the city and tilted downwards, the bridge crew all went out the viewscreen/window. As for the others, I think they were killed by the torpedoes going off as the hull breaches sucked the air out. And he probably suffocated the others by shutting the air off except for the bridge.

Franklin September 30 2013 07:42 PM

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Set Harth wrote: (Post 8708371)
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starburst wrote: (Post 8708176)
Any that were still alive would have died in the crash, Sulu said no one should have been able to survive.

I still don't get why he said that. How would he know? It's not like the ship exploded on impact. Given the nature of the crash it seems entirely possible that a few regular people could have survived.

It would be a high probability guess for normal humans. Except Spock did seem annoyed at what Sulu said given Khan is anything but normal.

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drt wrote: (Post 8708530)
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8708431)
Lower decks, splatted on impact or drowned when in the stardrives traumatic severance and submertion.

The people in the secondary hull (if any) probably started to have a bad day when the torpedoes exploded.

Yeah. That was not a good place to be. Except the bay did look empty. What's always bothered me is how 72 (six dozen!) torpedoes going off inside the secondary hull didn't just obliterate Vengeance right then and there where she stood in space, especially considering Scotty's concern with their effect on the Enterprise and its warp core. Helluva strong ship, I guess.

YellowSubmarine September 30 2013 07:42 PM

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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8709163)
Since that would have meant about 5 other beams on the bridge, and we only see the 3 of the Enterprise crew, nope. He just left them.

He could have beamed them up to another section of a ship, not locked up. That could have been a subplot.

Chemahkuu September 30 2013 07:44 PM

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YellowSubmarine wrote: (Post 8709355)
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8709163)
Since that would have meant about 5 other beams on the bridge, and we only see the 3 of the Enterprise crew, nope. He just left them.

He could have beamed them up to another section of a ship, not locked up. That could have been a subplot.

I honestly don't think he cared, his plan seemed to consist of taking control of Vengeance and doing away with her minimal crew all along.

SeerSGB September 30 2013 07:55 PM

Re: What happened to the rest of Vengeance's Section 31 crew?
 
Khan jettisoned them through the aft nacelle.

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DonIago wrote: (Post 8708599)
Under the circumstances I think it's a minor miracle the warp core apparently didn't breach.

Then again, maybe Khan ejected it beforehand because he wasn't feeling completely suicidal.

TOS style warp cores didn't go pop every time someone sneezed at them No rolling under a dropping blast door for Scotty; just fix the damn engine and move on with your day.

BillJ September 30 2013 08:45 PM

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SeerSGB wrote: (Post 8709415)

TOS style warp cores didn't go pop every time someone sneezed at them No rolling on a dropping blast door for Scotty; just fix the damn engine and move on with your day.

There was a definite lack of quality in the 24th century warp cores. Damn things were threatening to blow up all the time.


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