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8of5 September 28 2013 10:49 PM

First look inside the new Stellar Cartography
 
Amazon has updated it's listing for Larry Nemecek's new book and maps set Star Trek Stellar Cartography with a look inside the clamshell, which gives a good sense as to how the collection will be presented, the first look at the cover of the actual book, and a few glimpses at some of the maps

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ucsa_iIFUu...y+contents.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n4uOhKoed_...+clamshell.jpg

For some reason all the international Amazons have a set of seven images (which as ever I've posted on my site), while for now Amazon in the US just shows the top group photo I've posted above.

I'm REALLY looking forward to this one!

JD September 28 2013 11:05 PM

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This does look really cool. It's nice to see them doing these kinds of high quality non-fic books, even if most of them are beyond my price range.

Tirius September 28 2013 11:15 PM

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As both a geographer and a Trek fan, I am REALLY looking forward to this one. I already own Star Charts, but one can never have too much of a good thing.

F. King Daniel September 28 2013 11:23 PM

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I was curious if the space map on the left side of this graphic would have anything to do with the book. It seems not.

I'd like to see how the maps will compare to the Star Charts or the earlier Star Trek Maps.

Mimi September 28 2013 11:50 PM

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I may have to get this for christmas, I love collecting art/production books. I wonder if any of those pull outs are frameable...

Hando September 28 2013 11:58 PM

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I fear that I will be disappointed. Clearly this is just updated Star Charts. Just notice the Romulan, Cardassian and Talarian states.
Also 48 pages vs 105.
And those extra maps like the Vulcan one, or Cardassian. :sigh: Nice, but no need for them.

By the way what map would we like to see? Political map of the Delta Quadrant? One that is in line with the novels? Or STO?


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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8702617)
I was curious if the space map on the left side of this graphic would have anything to do with the book. It seems not.

I'd like to see how the maps will compare to the Star Charts or the earlier Star Trek Maps.

King, what is that nuTreky picture?

Boo! Did I Scare Ya? September 29 2013 12:25 AM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8702617)
I was curious if the space map on the left side of this graphic would have anything to do with the book. It seems not.

I'd like to see how the maps will compare to the Star Charts or the earlier Star Trek Maps.

Me too.

I WANT this to be a valuable addition to my bookcase but I think I am going to have to reserve judgement until I see more of this.

Avro Arrow September 29 2013 02:01 AM

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Nice! Must remember to order...

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8702617)
I'd like to see how the maps will compare to the Star Charts or the earlier Star Trek Maps.

If I could have just one thing changed from Star Charts, it would be: move Andor further away from Earth than Procyon!

Therin of Andor September 29 2013 02:15 AM

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Hando wrote: (Post 8702707)
Political map of the Delta Quadrant? One that is in line with the novels? Or STO?

I would presume that this product, even though being produced in boutique numbers, is still likely to be aimed at general audiences who like/watch "canonical" Star Trek, as were Bantam's "Star Trek Maps" and Simon & Schuster's "Star Trek Star Charts". It's the kind of thing that relatives will buy, for Christmas season gift-giving, for "the Star Trek fan who has everything". (And probably already has the item on their standing order, so they'll end up with two.)

Any references to the ongoing 24th century ST novels, or computer game tie-ins, would be minor. Like the in-joke references to places such as Ringworld, Altair IV, Edos and Cait, in the previous incarnations.

Political map of the Delta Quadrant? Surely, we really only know the areas along the path taken by Voyager as it traveled home? Anything else is going to be speculation, and then the subject of angry complaints if the new VOY novels fail to comply.

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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8703136)
If I could have just one thing changed from Star Charts, it would be: move Andor further away from Earth than Procyon!

Why? Are we obscuring your view of Venus?

Christopher September 29 2013 02:38 AM

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Therin of Andor wrote: (Post 8703169)
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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8703136)
If I could have just one thing changed from Star Charts, it would be: move Andor further away from Earth than Procyon!

Why? Are we obscuring your view of Venus?

Because if Earth had colonized a planet nearly 20 light-years away decades earlier (Terra Nova), it's implausible that they would've known nothing about an advanced starfaring civilization around an even closer star -- a star even closer than Vulcan's.

Admiral_Young September 29 2013 03:51 AM

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I can't wait to get this.

DEWLine September 29 2013 05:15 AM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8703256)
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Therin of Andor wrote: (Post 8703169)
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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8703136)
If I could have just one thing changed from Star Charts, it would be: move Andor further away from Earth than Procyon!

Why? Are we obscuring your view of Venus?

Because if Earth had colonized a planet nearly 20 light-years away decades earlier (Terra Nova), it's implausible that they would've known nothing about an advanced starfaring civilization around an even closer star -- a star even closer than Vulcan's.

It's a fair point about Procyon. Epsilon Indii wouldn't have been much of an improvement either.

I do wonder at how much political - and other - "steering" the Vulcan government could have really done about keeping Earth vessels away from Andorian holdings, regardless of the identity of Andor's homestar.

Therin of Andor September 29 2013 07:24 AM

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DEWLine wrote: (Post 8703532)
I do wonder at how much political - and other - "steering" the Vulcan government could have really done about keeping Earth vessels away from Andorian holdings, regardless of the identity of Andor's homestar.

DETOUR. Space lane closed. >

Mage September 29 2013 08:05 AM

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I'll wait and see untill a few shots of the maps themselves appear online as previews. It loos cool though.

Christopher September 29 2013 01:23 PM

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The problem is that ENT itself gave mixed messages about Vulcan's location. The first season or two treated it as a fairly distant system, but then "Home" in season 4 locked it down as 16 light-years away -- the distance to 40 Eridani, the star that has generally been accepted as Vulcan's sun since James Blish first proposed it in his "Tomorrow is Yesterday" adaptation.

Although, come to think of it, Star Charts was made when ENT was only a year old, so it went with 40 Eri out of tradition.

It also made a mistake by putting Axanar and some other first-season systems as close to Earth as it did. Mandel erroneously thought that NX-01 went back to Earth after "Broken Bow," when in fact it just kept on going from Qo'noS. So the systems visited in the early episodes should've been much farther away. Although then you run into the problem with the location of Vulcan space and places like P'Jem.


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