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137th Gebirg September 27 2013 04:32 PM

Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
So, PL's NX-01 "Refit", designed by Doug Drexler, has been made into a plastic model kit. I think this may be the first time a Star Trek model has been made, mass-production, by a licensed company, without the ship in question ever having been shown on-screen.

Does this mean it's canon now? If not, it seems to really stretching the boundaries of the definition of "canon" that have been, til now, fairly solid.

Relayer1 September 27 2013 04:43 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
It's canon as far as the novels go, but that's about it.

If it wasn't on screen, it ain't canon...

137th Gebirg September 27 2013 04:46 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
But that's just it - it's more than just in the novels now. It's a physical real model. The fact that Paramount and Round 2 took a chance at releasing something that has never appeared on-screen for the first time is quite significant and can't be discounted. Nobody does anything in the corporate world without thinking they might make some profit off of it. How many people really read the books? How much of the casual fandom even knows that the concept of a refit ever existed and that there would be enough of an established interest in investing in something like this?

There's something wholly different about this one.

Mysterion September 27 2013 05:05 PM

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137th Gebirg wrote: (Post 8697868)

Does this mean it's canon now? If not, it seems to really stretching the boundaries of the definition of "canon" that have been, til now, fairly solid.

Probably not "canon", but at least "official" in the sense the CBS/Paramount/Whomever Actually Owns Star Trek This Week is willing to make money from it. sort of like the space that is inhabited by the novels published by Pocket. Official, in that the copyright holder makes the money, but not "canon" as they can be superceded and/or ignored by the "real" on-screen Star Trek product.

Q2UnME September 27 2013 05:23 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
IIRC, didn't the NX-01 Refit concept/design first appear in the "Ships of the Line" calander, another licensed product?

At any rate, I look at this as a licensed kitbash. From Round 2's prospective, this makes sense - minimal new tooling and they get a whole new kit to sell (and re-release for years to come) at a minimal up front investment. Paramount get's their cut, so too would Drexler (I suppose).

As to canon or not, I leave that to others. I'll probably pick up a kit or two on clearance just to toss into the collection..

Q2

BillJ September 27 2013 05:29 PM

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137th Gebirg wrote: (Post 8697919)
The fact that Paramount and Round 2 took a chance at releasing something that has never appeared on-screen for the first time is quite significant and can't be discounted.

I'm not sure there is any real financial risk for Paramount. :techman:

Though I do think the "refit" is hideous looking.

B.J. September 27 2013 05:38 PM

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According to the strict definition of canon, no, it's not canon. It wasn't shown on-screen, and the NX-01 shown in TATV didn't have the modifications. Whether people choose to ignore that is a whole different question.

Patrickivan September 27 2013 06:06 PM

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B.J. wrote: (Post 8698156)
According to the strict definition of canon, no, it's not canon. It wasn't shown on-screen, and the NX-01 shown in TATV didn't have the modifications. Whether people choose to ignore that is a whole different question.

Canon is a set of rules. On Screen "evidence" can be taken in conjunction with the written word as per the creators and authorized writers. So, yes, if it was a licenced item then by all accounts it's being validated as canon unless the owners of Star Trek decide otherwise.

canon

noun




Definition of CANON

1
a statement or body of statements concerning faith or morals proclaimed by a church <members of the church must abide by its canons> Synonyms canon, dogma
Related Words canon law; belief, conviction, tenet; credo, creed, ideology (also idealogy), philosophy, theology; axiom, precept, principle; symbol


2
a record of a series of items (as names or titles) usually arranged according to some system <the canon of plays that are attributed to William Shakespeare> Synonyms canon, catalog (or catalogue), checklist, listing, menu, register, registry, roll, roll call, roster, schedule, table
Related Words agenda, bibliography, catalogue raisonné, compendium, compilation, directory, docket, enumeration, glossary, index, inventory, manifest, payroll; calendar, chronology, timetable


3
a collection or system of rules of conduct <the ABA Model Code of Professional Responsibility is a lawyer's canon> Synonyms canon, constitution, decalogue, law
Related Words discipline, establishment; common law, legislation

Chemahkuu September 27 2013 07:09 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
The refit is named the "Columbia Class" and both the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-06 Endeavour have been refitted to it during or after the Romulan war.

According to the 15th Enterprise novel, the first in the "Rise of the Federation" series as part of the novel continuation.

So it's as canon as the novels that are continuing the Primeverse.

Relayer1 September 27 2013 07:29 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8698471)
The refit is named the "Columbia Class" and both the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-06 Endeavour have been refitted to it during or after the Romulan war.

According to the 15th Enterprise novel, the first in the "Rise of the Federation" series as part of the novel continuation.

So it's as canon as the novels that are continuing the Primeverse.

It's not specifed in the novels whether Enterprise get's the refit - I checked with Christopher who wants to leave it to the reader to decide.

He likes to think it did though...

B.J. September 27 2013 08:40 PM

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Patrickivan wrote: (Post 8698264)
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B.J. wrote: (Post 8698156)
According to the strict definition of canon, no, it's not canon. It wasn't shown on-screen, and the NX-01 shown in TATV didn't have the modifications. Whether people choose to ignore that is a whole different question.

Canon is a set of rules. On Screen "evidence" can be taken in conjunction with the written word as per the creators and authorized writers. So, yes, if it was a licenced item then by all accounts it's being validated as canon unless the owners of Star Trek decide otherwise.

No, not really. Some people may take other licensed material and work around that, but as for Star Trek as a whole, unless it's been on screen, it's not officially canon. Licensed works are a different ball of wax.

Albertese September 28 2013 04:10 AM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
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137th Gebirg wrote: (Post 8697868)
So, PL's NX-01 "Refit", designed by Doug Drexler, has been made into a plastic model kit. I think this may be the first time a Star Trek model has been made, mass-production, by a licensed company, without the ship in question ever having been shown on-screen.

Well... I can think of one other such entry... Back in the good old days, an officially licensed mass-production kit of Spock phasering a giant three-headed snake was released which never appeared in any episode or movie.

Of course, that's not a ship.

--Alex

Ziz September 28 2013 07:41 AM

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Canon or not, it was necessary from a marketing perspective. The kit can also be built in the original configuration so re-releasing the kit with the refit parts provides added value for new customers and re-purchase incentive for people who bought the original issue.

T'Girl September 28 2013 03:30 PM

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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8698471)
The refit is named the "Columbia Class" and both the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-06 Endeavour have been refitted to it during or after the Romulan war.

What is the extra addition body section supposed to do for the ship anyway? I can see an advantage to having more internal space. But given that the ship retains the original twin warp engines wouldn't speed, range and malnuverablity be seriously reduced?

:)

Mysterion September 28 2013 04:59 PM

Re: Polar Lights NX-01 "Refit"
 
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 8701405)
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Chemahkuu wrote: (Post 8698471)
The refit is named the "Columbia Class" and both the NX-01 Enterprise and NX-06 Endeavour have been refitted to it during or after the Romulan war.

What is the extra addition body section supposed to do for the ship anyway? I can see an advantage to having more internal space. But given that the ship retains the original twin warp engines wouldn't speed, range and malnuverablity be seriously reduced?

:)

It might affect maneuverability, and perhaps speed. But with the additional volume, you can have a larger warp reactor (more power), carry more fuel and supplies (added range - good for exploring), and more personnel (if needed).


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