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SignGuyHPW September 27 2013 05:25 AM

How did the children eat?
 
I just re-watched "Miri" again and this has always bugged me. The children had been frowing at the rate of one month for every year for many, many years without really advancing past childhood. The Enterprise crew while trying to cure the disease that killed the adults also determined that there were only 6 months worth of food saved. What always bothered me is that they make a huge point about how this disease was caused by a failed experiment and killed the adults quickly. If that's the case then how did they have the foresight to have saved hundreds of years worth of food. I'm guessing the children weren't sophisticated enough to have learned how to learn farming, butchering, fishing, etc on their own. Plus, since there were only some close to adolecence at a time I doubut cooking was a skill that got taught too much. How did the children manage to eat for all of those years?

Mytran September 27 2013 05:53 AM

Re: How did the children eat?
 
Similar to in John Wyndham's "Day of the Triffids" I imagine - lots and lots of canned food!

Mr. Laser Beam September 27 2013 05:57 AM

Re: How did the children eat?
 
Cannibalism?

SignGuyHPW September 27 2013 06:02 AM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 8696647)
Cannibalism?

I don't think that's it. There didn't seem to be a huge number of them and I don't think that's something children would consider really. Even if they ate the other children when they dropped dead of the disease it looks like they were emaciated so there'd not be much meat for them.

ZapBrannigan September 27 2013 07:05 AM

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I say it was a combination of canned food and a greatly reduced need for calories due to the disease itself, which slowed their metabolisms as drastically as it slowed their aging process.

bbailey861 September 27 2013 01:30 PM

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That and foraging. They would have supplemented canned goods with whatever they could find growing during the right seasons. Who knows, maybe they even hunted or trapped small game. Hunger is a strong motivator.

ssosmcin September 27 2013 03:16 PM

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The implication was that there was still food left. Kirk mentioned, during his speech on what is to come for them, that soon there will be no more food, maybe 6 months worth still left.

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KIRK: And the little ones. What's going to happen to them after you've gone, after you've turned into creatures like Louise? Oh, they'll still be here, but not for long, because the food's all gone. You've eaten it. Maybe six months left, that's all, and then nothing left to eat, nobody left to take care of them. They'll die, too.
Perhaps the Grups, knowing their time was finite, prepared an overstock of preserved, canned food for the onlies.

TREK_GOD_1 September 27 2013 03:36 PM

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ssosmcin wrote: (Post 8697649)
The implication was that there was still food left. Kirk mentioned, during his speech on what is to come for them, that soon there will be no more food, maybe 6 months worth still left.

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KIRK: And the little ones. What's going to happen to them after you've gone, after you've turned into creatures like Louise? Oh, they'll still be here, but not for long, because the food's all gone. You've eaten it. Maybe six months left, that's all, and then nothing left to eat, nobody left to take care of them. They'll die, too.
Perhaps the Grups, knowing their time was finite, prepared an overstock of preserved, canned food for the onlies.

Interesting theory. It seems possible--unless the disease overwhelmed the population so fast, it prevented any sort of response time.

SignGuyHPW September 27 2013 05:38 PM

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The implication was that the disease comes quickly and starts affecting the mind so I can't see them stocking that much food that would last for that long.

Shon T'Hara September 27 2013 08:19 PM

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ssosmcin wrote: (Post 8697649)
The implication was that there was still food left. Kirk mentioned, during his speech on what is to come for them, that soon there will be no more food, maybe 6 months worth still left.

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KIRK: And the little ones. What's going to happen to them after you've gone, after you've turned into creatures like Louise? Oh, they'll still be here, but not for long, because the food's all gone. You've eaten it. Maybe six months left, that's all, and then nothing left to eat, nobody left to take care of them. They'll die, too.
Perhaps the Grups, knowing their time was finite, prepared an overstock of preserved, canned food for the onlies.

You could interpret Kirk's line to mean the older children are hunting and gathering to provide food for the younger children now that the preserved foods are almost gone, and once the older children die the younger ones will be SOL.

JirinPanthosa September 28 2013 12:29 AM

Re: How did the children eat?
 
What bothers me more about the episode is the way that after hundreds of years, the children are still children. You'd think after a while they'd be adults in childrens' bodies. Unless you want to make the brain development argument.

CommishSleer September 28 2013 12:48 AM

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JirinPanthosa wrote: (Post 8699680)
What bothers me more about the episode is the way that after hundreds of years, the children are still children. You'd think after a while they'd be adults in childrens' bodies. Unless you want to make the brain development argument.

Maybe society has a lot to do with it. With no examples of adults around they might have arrested development. Still I think they would be different from normal children. I can't really see a four year old still acting the same after 300 years, no matter what the environment. Maybe the disease also stopped their mental development?

In regards to the food, with say at least 90% of the population wiped out - all adults, teenagers and the very young eventually I just can't see them surviving on canned food. Unless the town they lived in was a distribution centre for canned goods and had a big warehouse full of them.
Maybe the only kids who didn't starve were in farming communities where the kids knew how to plant each year.
I can see how these 20 or so kids might be the only ones left. Disease, fighting, accidents, starvation, shock may have killed off everyone else in 300 years.

T'Girl September 29 2013 02:24 PM

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CommishSleer wrote: (Post 8699713)
I can see how these 20 or so kids might be the only ones left. Disease, fighting, accidents, starvation, shock may have killed off everyone else in 300 years.

From the episode I got the impression that the children were in a medium sized city at least. If they were eating canned goods from stores, restaurants and private homes that would hold them for decades. Occasional moving on to the next city or town.

And there did not seem to be very many of them, so maybe the illness killed off a lot of the children too, except those with some kind of immunity that protected them through to puberty.

:)

David.Blue September 29 2013 06:46 PM

Re: How did the children eat?
 
Actually your nervous system grows, the same way your body does. Your brain literally doesn't take its final form until around age twenty.

This was a major topic of conversation elsewhere, on a board devoted to Let The Right One In a book/pair of movies/now two stage plays about a child vampire. Folks did a lot of research to show children literally do not think the way adults do, and has little to do with amount of experience. Not that experience doesn't have an impact of course.

scotpens September 29 2013 09:35 PM

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David.Blue wrote: (Post 8705248)
Folks did a lot of research to show children literally do not think the way adults do, and has little to do with amount of experience.

It was necessary to do research? That's like doing research to prove that shit stinks.


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