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xvicente September 24 2013 02:03 PM

Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
Am I the only one who is bothered by that scene (since 1980)?

Isn't widely known that the apparent movement of the sun in the sky is caused by Earth's rotation?

If the Enterprise is moving forward in its orbit (together with the camera, looking back) then what should be seen is a sunset, no?

You know, this shot:
http://i.imgur.com/PH96HLTl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6OFHgK1l.jpg

King Daniel Into Darkness September 24 2013 02:16 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
That's it; Star Trek is ruined.


*leaves forever*

Robert Comsol September 24 2013 03:27 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
Quote:

xvicente wrote: (Post 8685316)
If the Enterprise is moving forward in its orbit (together with the camera, looking back) then what should be seen is a sunset, no?

Assuming the Enterprise and the camera are stuck in a geostationary orbit the "counter-clockwise" rotation of Earth would eventually reveal a sunrise, IMHO.

Bob

wjaspers September 24 2013 08:20 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
Exactly, the Earth rotates around the sun, so a Sunrise will appear.

Hober Mallow September 24 2013 08:29 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
That's funny. I never noticed that before. It's still a good-looking shot, though. I guess our perspective is skewed and the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards. :)

trevanian September 25 2013 12:19 AM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
I never thought the ship was orbiting, it is in a hurry to get out there, I thought it was 'outbound' heading away from Earth (which is a little smaller in frame than in earlier shots, I think, though that could be subject to using a different longer/shorter lens, I guess) ...

So as it gains 'height' headed away from Earth, it is moving 'up' relative to the sun as well.

Avro Arrow September 25 2013 04:57 AM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
All I know is that now I want that second shot as my computer wallpaper...

xvicente September 25 2013 01:26 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8688802)
All I know is that now I want that second shot as my computer wallpaper...

help yourself : :)
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/t...bum=584&page=2

xvicente September 25 2013 03:23 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
Quote:

Hober Mallow wrote: (Post 8686684)
I guess our perspective is skewed and the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards. :)

You know I had the exact same idea. Not very Star-Trek-y, though.

Captain Mike September 25 2013 11:32 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
The Enterprise was NOT in geosynchronous orbit that is a shot of it leaving Earths orbit which eventually depending on the suns position would then break Earth's horizon. :rolleyes:

Therin of Andor September 26 2013 01:12 AM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
And doesn't the camera keep rising up, so the the sun is definitely going to become visible.

IIRC, people used to quibble about the inconsistent shadows on the planets and moons as Enterprise departed the solar system.

T'Girl September 26 2013 06:32 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
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Hober Mallow wrote: (Post 8686684)
... the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards. :)

That's the most likely answer.

The Enterprise in it's "dry dock" was above the city of San Fransisco, you could make out geographic features on the ground. The Enterprise's starboard side was facing the ground and the dorsal direction was north.

At theis point the ship is in fact orbiting backwards.

Given the apparent size of the Earth, the ship, dry dock and space station are not in geo orbit.

When the ship left dry dock it actually did so by slowing it orbital speed, but was still moving ass end first. The dry dock now preceeding it in orbit.

The sun rising as it does is completely acurate.

:)

sonak September 26 2013 07:01 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
science confuses me

xvicente September 26 2013 09:02 PM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 8694292)
When the ship left dry dock it actually did so by slowing it orbital speed, but was still moving ass end first. The dry dock now preceeding it in orbit.

So it was not the Enterprise that departed the drydock, it was the drydock that departed the Enterprise?

Quote:

The sun rising as it does is completely acurate.

:)
completely.:bolian:

T'Girl September 27 2013 07:37 AM

Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1
 
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xvicente wrote: (Post 8694823)
So it was not the Enterprise that departed the drydock, it was the drydock that departed the Enterprise?

In a way.


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