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HaplessCrewman September 24 2013 12:38 AM

State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Pretty even-handed account of the state of Trek post-Into Darkness from Entertainment Geekly.

Writer seems to be saying (in part) that though the film did well, the creators (who went in with the best of intentions) are upset that the fans are not embracing the film whole-hardheartedly. The fan-creator divide seems more contentious than ever.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/09/19/st...ess-jj-abrams/

BTW, everyone knows there will be a third film but has Paramount officially announced it yet? I read somewhere that Orci and Kurtzman are back on board.

Dream September 24 2013 12:55 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Not everyone loved Benedict Cumberbatch: The Movie! They shouldn't be so shocked. :lol:

Hober Mallow September 24 2013 12:59 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Cumberbatch was the only reason I even saw the movie. :)

Awesome Possum September 24 2013 01:51 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
The upset fans are a loud minority, the majority seem to enjoy the movie.

austen_pierce September 24 2013 02:14 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
I checked out when I hit this:

"Last month, the annual Star Trek convention in Las Vegas declared Star Trek Into Darkness the worst film of the franchise."

This topic has been covered in another thread, so I won't rehash. This EW article loses credibility with this statement, IMO. They didn't do their homework.


BUT

I'm most concerned that fanboy negativity is REALLY ruining our chances of seeing more quality films. Orci's defensive reactions are the case in point. Are we as a fan base collectively shitting where we eat?

Awesome Possum September 24 2013 02:17 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
The best thing Paramount can do is ignore us because some of us will never be happy. They could rebuilt the original sets, clone the actors and write the greatest hours of television ever seen by human eyes and a small group of fans could find something to complain about. They don't want to happy, they're miserable about something and want to drag everyone down to their level. It's sad, pathetic and annoying. Thankfully the majority of them are confined to the internet, much like that giant head that claimed to be God.

austen_pierce September 24 2013 02:21 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
^^^ what gets me is that the creators now seem to think we're the target audience, the one's they need to please. Our reaction seems to have depressed them.

AND

"The core fandom is now in a moment of deep pessimism, equivalent to the mid-’70s Animated Series lull and the mid-00s Enterprise decline"

I disagree with this. I think the new movies have reinvigorated the fandom, if only to give new fans voices and give old fans something new to debate.

Do we need to create a love letter to let them know that not all of us think they have failed?

BillJ September 24 2013 02:25 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8684020)
^^^ what gets me is that the creators now seem to think we're the target audience, the one's they need to please. Our reaction seems to have depressed them.

AND

"The core fandom is now in a moment of deep pessimism, equivalent to the mid-70s Animated Series lull and the mid-00s Enterprise decline"

I disagree with this. I think the new movies have reinvigorated the fandom, if only to give new fans voices and give old fans something new to debate.

Do we need to create a love letter to let them know that not all of us think they have failed?

I think it would be a good idea if someone linked them back to the poll in this very forum that 668 people have voted in and 530 rated the movie a 'B-' or better.

Awesome Possum September 24 2013 02:26 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
I'm more excited about Trek now than I have been since I was a child and TNG was on. For a while, after Nemesis and Enterprise, I wanted nothing to do with the franchise. But Star Trek 09 rekindled it.

22 Stars September 24 2013 02:37 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Trek 09 rekindled it for me too, but STID quashed it for me. A 9/11 conspiracy movie, over 10 years after 9/11 felt forced and self serving for the writer (Orci). Also, regurgitating, multiple lines of dialogue, and entire scenes from TWOK didn't help.

Made the second half of the film more like a parody, than a tribute.

BillJ September 24 2013 02:39 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Quote:

22 Stars wrote: (Post 8684101)
Trek 09 rekindled it for me too, but STID quashed it for me. A 9/11 conspiracy movie, over 10 years after 9/11 felt forced and self serving for the writer (Orci). Also, regurgitating, multiple lines of dialogue, and entire scenes from TWOK didn't help.

Made the second half of the film more like a parody, than a tribute.

When I watched Star Trek Into Darkness, it was the most fun I had with Trek since seeing The Undiscovered Country in the theater in 1991.

Set Harth September 24 2013 02:41 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8683993)
Are we as a fan base collectively shitting where we eat?

No. I reject any logic which says that we are somehow at fault for allegedly making the situation worse. This didn't start with us. It started when the filmmakers apparently largely ignored our concerns that have been voiced repeatedly over the last few years. In other words, if popular complaints about the films somehow hurt our chances of getting any more quality films, is the problem really with us? Besides, if the films are making money, what's the problem?

BillJ September 24 2013 02:45 AM

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Quote:

Set Harth wrote: (Post 8684116)
No. I reject any logic which says that we are at fault for somehow making the situation worse. This didn't start with us. It started when the filmmakers apparently largely ignored our concerns that have been voiced repeatedly over the last few years.

This makes no sense.

How many movie writers and directors consult the audience before making a film?

I seriously don't have any idea what world you're living in?

BillJ September 24 2013 02:47 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
I posted what I said above and EW still hasn't put it in their comments section. :lol:

Therin of Andor September 24 2013 02:48 AM

Re: State of Trek according to Entertainment Weekly
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8684020)
^^^ what gets me is that the creators now seem to think we're the target audience, the one's they need to please.

Nah they don't, but when producers and writers don't respond to "the fans", they are branded as cowardly and/or secretative. No-win scenario.

Bad Robot's team is making the films they like to watch, and their movies make plenty of money. The active Trek fanbase is a small part of the movie-going population, and always has been. And the tie-in licensees know that only 1%-2% of that audience buys the tie-ins.

We are very useful for generating free, positive word-of-mouth, though. You can't buy that kind of publicity. ST films with poor advance word-of-mouth (ST V, Insurrection, Nemesis) tended to sink. STiD tended to get poor word-of-mouth by the time it reached USA. Perhaps the gap between the Sydney and US premieres was too wide?


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