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Shilliam Watner September 20 2013 05:59 AM

What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
I mean really. I watched the movie tonight as Sulu gave his threatening speech to Khan and saw the torpedoes being put into the tubes. How hollow is the Enterprise secondary hull? And when did the secondary hull have a side bay launching port when Mudd's ship was launched below the starboard nacelle pylon?

Flying Spaghetti Monster September 20 2013 06:21 AM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
Just watch the film for the performances, energy, and action. Those are all top notch.

Nothing with the torpedoes makes a lot of sense.

Oh, and 72 was a lot. I know they wanted to use the same number that was in the original episode, but they never show anywhere near 72 of them, even during the widest shots. That's a lot of torpedoes. That's a lot that Spock managed to assign people to do a lot of tinkering on, especially when most of the technicians should be keeping the ship together.

As for the hull design of Enterprise, nothing about the interiors of the ship matches the exteriors. Where is that stupid circular multi-level room (the one that looks like a mall where Kirk radios Scotty with the mysterious coordinates?

People like to easily put down the Enterprise TV show, but at least the sets had both a uniformity and consistency to them, and they were interesting as hell. And, of course, the Deep Space Nine sets were unrivaled by any Hollywood production.

Timelord Victorious September 20 2013 10:29 AM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
72 is not that many. Just 10 stacks of 7, shouldn't take up that much space really.

As for the circular room, the only place that makes sense is at the top of the saucer above the central shaft in the neck if the ship. Although looking at the model it seems to be missing the transparent dome which ironically the old movie Enterprise had at that exact spot.

King Daniel Into Darkness September 20 2013 11:19 AM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 8668897)
As for the hull design of Enterprise, nothing about the interiors of the ship matches the exteriors. Where is that stupid circular multi-level room (the one that looks like a mall where Kirk radios Scotty with the mysterious coordinates?

Kirk's in core of the saucer, directly behind the bridge.
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/a...and_plaza1.jpg

It's a phallacy that the interiors do not fit (probably started by Ex Astris Scientia, due to their bizarre insistence the new Enterprise is the same size as the old, despite the claims of ILM and overwhelming evidence in the two new movies). Here's a rough layout (which needs a tiny bit of tweaking, I made it after seeing the film twice in cinemas):
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/a...out_rough2.jpg

Take a look at the Starship Size Argument thread, where virtually every scene is dissected.

ComicGuy89 September 20 2013 01:18 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 8668897)
People like to easily put down the Enterprise TV show, but at least the sets had both a uniformity and consistency to them, and they were interesting as hell. And, of course, the Deep Space Nine sets were unrivaled by any Hollywood production.

Deep Space Nine sets make sense? How does a big space station, larger than the Galaxy as seen in The Emissary, have such a tiny promenade? That bugged me from the very first time I watched Deep Space Nine.

BillJ September 20 2013 01:21 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
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Shilliam Watner wrote: (Post 8668855)
I mean really. I watched the movie tonight as Sulu gave his threatening speech to Khan and saw the torpedoes being put into the tubes.

Makes sense from a combat perspective. You don't have to maneuver the ship around as much in order to fire torpedoes.

Bad Thoughts September 20 2013 01:26 PM

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Shilliam Watner wrote: (Post 8668855)
And when did the secondary hull have a side bay launching port when Mudd's ship was launched below the starboard nacelle pylon?

Ask the master and commander.

Jeyl September 20 2013 03:00 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8669392)
Makes sense from a combat perspective. You don't have to maneuver the ship around as much in order to fire torpedoes.

Which doesn't make sense because in that scene, the Enterprise isn't doing any maneuvers, or moving at all. Why not just say that the Enterprise's main torpedo launcher can fire these special torpedoes five times a second, or fire these torpedoes so that they orbit over their intended target and will launch towards it when given the command? They are supposed to be undetectable. And shouldn't torpedoes "lock on" to targets so that no matter what direction you are facing, the torpedoes would just head towards their targets? We see torpedoes (heck, even phasers) do that in this very movie.

Also kind of hard to sell the idea that weaponizing Starfleet is bad when this Enterprise has more weapons than all the previous Enterprises combined, and we're supposed to shun the Vengeance because it has a lot of weapons.

Plus this "let's throw more stuff in!" shows that nobody is really putting the design of the Enterprise to good use. You already have torpedo launchers that can fire a ton of torpedoes and a huge shuttle bay with a big interior. Why not just stick with what you have that works instead of putting more nonsense onto your ship that only serves to accomplish the same thing?

SeerSGB September 20 2013 03:51 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
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Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 8668897)
Just watch the film for the performances, energy, and action. Those are all top notch.

Nothing with the torpedoes makes a lot of sense.

Oh, and 72 was a lot. I know they wanted to use the same number that was in the original episode, but they never show anywhere near 72 of them, even during the widest shots. That's a lot of torpedoes. That's a lot that Spock managed to assign people to do a lot of tinkering on, especially when most of the technicians should be keeping the ship together.

As for the hull design of Enterprise, nothing about the interiors of the ship matches the exteriors. Where is that stupid circular multi-level room (the one that looks like a mall where Kirk radios Scotty with the mysterious coordinates?

People like to easily put down the Enterprise TV show, but at least the sets had both a uniformity and consistency to them, and they were interesting as hell. And, of course, the Deep Space Nine sets were unrivaled by any Hollywood production.

Directly behind the bridge:
http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps73d1c6dd.jpg

Sigokat September 20 2013 04:05 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
Huh, guess I will have to watch it again. When I did watch it it was on my tablet and was a bootleg copy (sorry was trying to wait till I got home but I don't get home from this deployment till Jan/Feb 14 and I just couldn't wait any longer! :) )

I was under the impression that when Scotty "resigned" and was drinking in what looked like a bar when Kirk called him that he was no longer on the Enterprise and was at a Space Station or even back on Earth. Guess I was wrong. So he was still on the Enterprise? So does it have like a Ten Forward or something?

Chemahkuu September 20 2013 04:29 PM

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Sigokat wrote: (Post 8669947)
Huh, guess I will have to watch it again. When I did watch it it was on my tablet and was a bootleg copy (sorry was trying to wait till I got home but I don't get home from this deployment till Jan/Feb 14 and I just couldn't wait any longer! :) )

I was under the impression that when Scotty "resigned" and was drinking in what looked like a bar when Kirk called him that he was no longer on the Enterprise and was at a Space Station or even back on Earth. Guess I was wrong. So he was still on the Enterprise? So does it have like a Ten Forward or something?

Kirk calls him from "the plaza", a vertical shaft down through the saucer section of the Enterprise.

Scotty is indeed in a nightclub in the San Francisco harbour district.

The Keeper September 20 2013 04:59 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
I was wondering when this issue would hit the fan.

I simply see the scene as a homage to the great ships of old and their use of the Broadside cannons...

But the scene [ILM?] really screwed up the realism factor, imo. "Square" hatches? And the scaling of them... way too large, iirc. As for the number of them, no problem there as you can see how many they could fit along the side of the much, much smaller Victory


Flying Spaghetti Monster September 20 2013 05:45 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
The number is more of a problem in terms of the plot. They were stuck with that number. And all seventy two had to be shuffled about and modified throughout the entire story. It just didn't quite work for me.

WarpFactorZ September 20 2013 07:54 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
Remember, Starfleet is a peace-keeping organization. I guess they felt the addition of 100 or so torpedo tubes to the ship helped reach that goal.

SeerSGB September 20 2013 08:02 PM

Re: What The Hell? What Is Up With The Side Hull Torpedo Bays?
 
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WarpFactorZ wrote: (Post 8670937)
Remember, Starfleet is a peace-keeping organization. I guess they felt the addition of 100 or so torpedo tubes to the ship helped reach that goal.

Even Scotty called Kirk out on it. That's one of the points that was being made, Marcus, and his ilk were turning Starfleet into just another interstellar war-machine; this isn't the Starfleet the crew signed up to join.


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