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Freman September 20 2013 01:24 AM

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Where in relation to the two movies do all the comics and the video game take place? Does Countdown to Darkness take place before or after the video game?

Ketrick September 20 2013 02:45 AM

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The quick answer is because the comics and video game aren't canon it doesn't matter. The longer answer is I believe the video game happens before Countdown to Darkness, but I could be wrong.

ATimson September 20 2013 03:39 AM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8668510)
The quick answer is because the comics and video game aren't canon it doesn't matter. The longer answer is I believe the video game happens before Countdown to Darkness, but I could be wrong.

Other way around. Both the game and Countdown to Darkness lead to the Nibiru mission; however, CtD is presented as a "standard" mission, while the game is kicked off by a distress call (presumably diverting them while on the way to Nibiru from Countdown to Darkness).

Scruggernaut September 20 2013 04:47 AM

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Orci has said that the current comics are canon. Not sure about the video game though.

Freman September 20 2013 05:10 AM

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I'm pretty sure he said the game was also canon. Honestly, I don't really care. To me they are. I just want to know which order they all take place in. :)

Ketrick September 20 2013 05:14 AM

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ATimson wrote: (Post 8668648)
Other way around. Both the game and Countdown to Darkness lead to the Nibiru mission; however, CtD is presented as a "standard" mission, while the game is kicked off by a distress call (presumably diverting them while on the way to Nibiru from Countdown to Darkness).

Okay, I was wrong. Thank you for correcting me.

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Scruggernaut wrote: (Post 8668741)
Orci has said that the current comics are canon. Not sure about the video game though.

He has said both the comics and the video game were canon. However, he has taken those statements back since then. As much as I wish the comics were canon, they're unfortunately not. Plus, it would probably take all the members of the Supreme Court and those above them at Paramount to make a change to canon policy not just the word of one or two people involved, even if it is Bob Orci.

Freman September 20 2013 06:56 AM

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Where did he say they weren't? Just curious.

Ketrick September 20 2013 02:36 PM

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He started backtracking in the comment section for the article in which he declared the tie-ins he or and any of the rest of the Supreme Court are involved in canon. It's on trekmovie.com. Check out comment #102 of "Exclusive: Orci Says Star Trek TV Talks Getting Real + Declares Movie Tie-In Comics & Game As Canon".

The Wormhole September 20 2013 02:44 PM

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Orci's comment about the comics being canon comes from an infamous interview over at Trekmovie where he was essentially manipulated and goaded into calling them canon. He recanted within a day.

Ketrick September 20 2013 02:54 PM

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I would also point out that while there are shout-outs to the comics and video game in Star Trek Into Darkness, there are also things in the comics it contradicts. For instance, Sulu in STID says he had never sat in the captain's chair while in the comics, he had I believe in one of the "Vulcan's Vengeance" comics. I think it was part 2, but I could be wrong.

F. King Daniel September 20 2013 10:15 PM

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^Also, in the movie Kirk says he hasn't lost a single crewmember since taking command, wheras in the comics and videogame, casualties pile up.

As for their canonicity, I've seen video interviews where the game's makers have said it's canon - but then there's the recent comment by J.J. about how they distanced themselves from the videogame when they realized it was going to be shite. He said the game "emotionally hurt" him.

I think the end of the day, CBS are sticking with "if it's an episode or movie, it's canon"

Hober Mallow September 20 2013 10:40 PM

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Scruggernaut wrote: (Post 8668741)
Orci has said that the current comics are canon. Not sure about the video game though.

I've never read the comics, but doesn't ID contradict the comics when it comes to Kirk losing/never losing members of his crew? Any other contradictions?

Ketrick September 21 2013 05:59 AM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8671531)
^Also, in the movie Kirk says he hasn't lost a single crewmember since taking command, wheras in the comics and videogame, casualties pile up.

I'm not certain the film contradicts the comics and video game on that because I took Kirk to be speaking only of the Nibiru mission. I will say, however, that I didn't understand the end of what Kirk said because he and Pike spoke at the same time so my understanding could be wrong.

Tosk September 21 2013 06:12 AM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8673139)
I'm not certain the film contradicts the comics and video game on that because I took Kirk to be speaking only of the Nibiru mission. I will say, however, that I didn't understand the end of what Kirk said because he and Pike spoke at the same time so my understanding could be wrong.

"You know how many crewmembers I've lost since I took the captain's chair? Not one...not one."

Ketrick September 21 2013 06:32 AM

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Tosk wrote: (Post 8673160)
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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8673139)
I'm not certain the film contradicts the comics and video game on that because I took Kirk to be speaking only of the Nibiru mission. I will say, however, that I didn't understand the end of what Kirk said because he and Pike spoke at the same time so my understanding could be wrong.

"You know how many crewmembers I've lost since I took the captain's chair? Not one...not one."

Well, that explains things somewhat. I only hear and understand: "You know how many crewmembers I've lost since.... Not one...not one." I take it that "...I took the captain's chair?" is the part I heard but couldn't make out. Neither the subtitles or closed captions include the "since I took the captain's chair" part. Question: How were you able to make that out? Also, if most people can't understand it, would that part still be hard canon or would it be more on the level of Jonathan Archer's personal file in "In A Mirror Darkly, Part II"?


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