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Khan 2.0 September 18 2013 08:47 PM

was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
i realise they wanted to differentiate between the prequel and the original and TNG but its almost like they go out of their way to call the ship 'Enterprise' only...never 'the enterprise'

did anyone ever utter 'the Enterprise' even once in the show?

OpenMaw September 18 2013 09:05 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Not that I remember. It did always irk me a bit for some reason. I guess it's some kind of subconscious prequel-lingo.

MikeS September 18 2013 09:29 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
I remember Tom Paris saying "The Voyager" early on and it sounded really wrong. I guessed "Enterprise" was just continuation of a writing style that had started on Voyager.

M September 18 2013 09:39 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Well, they did use it a few times in the series. I used Google's advanced search feature to scan Chakoteya.net for all instances where a "the" was used before "Enterprise". Here are the results:

Quote:

T'POL: My assignment to the Enterprise was only supposed to last eight days. ("Shadows of P'Jem")

ARCHER: Jonathan Archer, Captain of the Enterprise. ("Fortunate Son")

REED: But with the crew of the Enterprise, it was different. ("Shuttlepod One")

ARCHER: What about the Enterprise sensor logs? ("Shockwave")

ARCHER: This is Jonathan Archer of the Enterprise. ("Bounty")

TUCKER: I'll try and get the transceiver working, contact the Enterprise. ("Dawn")

TUCKER: That's a pretty neat trick. Here you are watching me with a gun in your hand while at the same time your corpse is up on the Enterprise. ("Oasis")

HARRIS: You made a commitment to us long before you joined the Enterprise. ("Affliction")

MALIK: I wasn't talking about the Enterprise. ("The Augments")

Khan 2.0 September 18 2013 09:58 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
nice. thanks

Christopher September 18 2013 10:42 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Quote:

ARCHER: What about the Enterprise sensor logs? ("Shockwave")
That one doesn't count, since the article goes with "sensor logs."

The change in the later series to dropping the article, as I understand it, was done to reflect preferred modern US Naval parlance. Apparently you're only supposed to use "the" if you include "USS," because you're treating the abbreviation as equivalent to the full phrase -- so you'd refer to "the USS Shipname," because you're effectively saying "the United States Ship Shipname." But otherwise, you treat the name the same way you'd treat a personal name, i.e. with no article before it.

Note, also, that several Trek novelists were referring to Kirk's ship as "Enterprise" rather than "the Enterprise" way back in the 1980s, before even TNG existed. Which I figure was because they understood Naval conventions better than the producers of the shows and movies did.

So they didn't change the usage just to be different from TOS, they changed it because they improved their research.

Yanks September 18 2013 11:09 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
"the enterprise" was used 11 times.

Yanks September 18 2013 11:22 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
A couple that M missed:

Quote:

TUCKER: Chief Engineer's log, supplemental. It's been two hours since we started signaling the Enterprise. - Dawn

MALIK: The Enterprise. Increase to maximum speed. Load the torpedo. Stand by to fire as soon as we drop out of warp. - The Augments
Well done M :bolian:

Bry_Sinclair September 19 2013 03:01 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
They shifted more towards just calling the ship Enterprise after VOY, where after the first few episodes it became known as Voyager--seeing as "the Voyager" doesn't really sound right, not like the Enterprise or the Defiant.

C.E. Evans September 19 2013 03:02 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Quote:

MikeS wrote: (Post 8663170)
I remember Tom Paris saying "The Voyager" early on and it sounded really wrong.

That's total conditioning from the show at work. Had the characters regularly called her "the Voyager" from the start, it wouldn't sound wrong.

jedbates September 21 2013 07:18 AM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Hello, new here, even if the writers went out of there way with the referrals to enterprise or the enterprise name when you are assigned to a posting; as in my case Fort Bragg after awhile you tend to call it Bragg. Same thing with ships IE USCGC Spencer we called it Spencer after being there a few cruises. and other names..........

Mycroft Maxwell September 21 2013 09:27 AM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
I remember being bothered that they called the Nx-01 just "Enterprise". I would feel that it being the only "Real" starship of the time, that they would feel inclined to call her "THE Enterprise". It also bothered me that it was an "NX" class rather than an "Enterprise" Class. Afterall, didnt the other starships that were shown have "NX" on their hull?

MikeS September 21 2013 07:44 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
Quote:

Mycroft Maxwell wrote: (Post 8673493)
It also bothered me that it was an "NX" class rather than an "Enterprise" Class. Afterall, didnt the other starships that were shown have "NX" on their hull?


I agree with you on this point. NX signifies "prototype". And the first ship is usually named for the class. It should have been the Enterprise class ship, Enterprise, NX-01. Then they launch the Enterprise class ship, Columbia, NCC-02 (or would that be NCC-01?).

Hanukkah Solo September 21 2013 08:21 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
NX was the designation used for experimental starships in the Federation Starfleet. Earth's Starfleet obviously followed different rules.

Christopher September 21 2013 08:24 PM

Re: was NX01 ever referred to as 'The' Enterprise?
 
I think they were following the established precedent of TOS class designations like DY-100 and J-class. There was evidence that older ship classes used letter designations, so they combined that with the established usage of "NX."


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