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Shawnster September 18 2013 05:07 PM

Star Trek Concepts Originating in TAS
 
I've been rewatching TAS and it's interesting the number of concepts that we now take for granted in Star Trek that seem to have their origin or initial debut in TAS. The things I've noticed so far:

WARP CORE: In Beyond the Farthest Star the hatch to the warp core collapses on Scotty. It seems that the warp core is a common feature on starships from TMP onward, but not TOS.

BONE KNITTING LASER: No doubt this concept was already being considered in reality. It's specifically mentioned in The Terratin Incident when Sulu breaks his leg. Bone knitting lasers are regularly featured from TNG onward.

KLINGON CLOAKING DEVICE: In The Time Trap, Spock mentions the Klingons having a cloaking device on their D-7 class ships. We first see the Klingon cloaking device in the live-action realm in Star Trek III. Klingons and cloaking technology go hand in hand from TNG onward.

F. King Daniel September 18 2013 05:13 PM

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Off the top of my head...

Vulcan's Forge and Spock's hometown of Shi'Kar are from "Yesteryear"

The USS Antaries seen in TOS-R: "Charlie X" is based on the cargo drone ships from "More Tribbles, More Troubles"

Kor's old ship, the Klothos, was seen in "The Time Trap" (although Kor called it a D-5, when in TAS we see that it's a D-7. But he was going senile, so...)

The first holodeck is seen (called a "rec room") in "The Practical Joker.

Kirk's middle name "Tiberius" is from "Bem"

Also Captain Robert April was first seen in "The Counter-Clock Incident"

Cookies and Cake September 18 2013 05:29 PM

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Amanda's last name as Grayson, also from Yesteryear.

Christopher September 18 2013 05:53 PM

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Shawnster wrote: (Post 8662180)
WARP CORE: In Beyond the Farthest Star the hatch to the warp core collapses on Scotty. It seems that the warp core is a common feature on starships from TMP onward, but not TOS.

Well, they actually called it the "engineering core," which probably meant the core section of the engineering complex. A better precedent might be "One of Our Planets is Missing," which showed a vast warp reactor with what seemed to be power transfer conduits pulsing with energy. Although that was supposed to be inside one of the nacelles.

And the engine shaft in TMP was called an intermix chamber. The term "warp core" is from TNG.


Let's see... later Trek shows made occasional references to "Edosian" plants and animals, a reference to Edos, Lt. Arex's homeworld (although the possessive/demonym used in the Alan Dean Foster novelizations was "Edoan"). And TVH featured felinoid aliens who were reportedly meant to be Caitians. It's been alleged that the tailed twins Kirk slept with in Star Trek Into Darkness were also meant to be Caitians, even though they had no feline attributes other than tails.

More a practice than a concept, but TAS was the first incarnation of Trek to depict female security guards ("The Survivor," "The Lorelei Signal"). Meanwhile, "The Time Trap" was the first depiction of a sane, intelligent Orion woman, a precedent followed by ENT: "Bound" and the 2009 movie as well as a number of novels and comics.

"Lorelei" showed the transporter as a means to reverse artificial aging, a technique also used in TNG: "Unnatural Selection."

"The Slaver Weapon" was the first Trek story to mention stasis fields, although of course the concept came from Larry Niven's Known Space universe.

Merry Christmas September 18 2013 06:07 PM

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The warp engines having "warp coils" comes (iirc) from One of Our Planets is Missing.

:)

Christopher September 18 2013 06:44 PM

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^No, the term "warp coil" isn't used in that episode, or in any of TAS.

Shawnster September 18 2013 08:21 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8662339)
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Shawnster wrote: (Post 8662180)
WARP CORE:

Well, they actually called it the "engineering core," which probably meant the core section of the engineering complex.


Ah, I twigged on "core" and made an assumption. Ah well.

I understand some of the references are intentional nods of the hat to TAS (The Antares design in TOS-R, for example), but some of these, like the intelligent Orion woman probably weren't intentional nods to TAS.

Probably.

Christopher September 18 2013 08:28 PM

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Yeah, but there are some things that TAS should get credit for doing first, even if others did them independently later.

Robert Comsol September 18 2013 09:09 PM

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Oh my goodness, I'm certain I forgot half of the concepts, but I'll give it a try.

Christopher has already mentioned the "Engineering Core". Parts of the same animation cel were used in "Practical Joker" to show the entry to the "Computer Core". "Engineering Core" was at least mentioned in two different TAS episodes.

Then we have, of course, the holodeck from "Practical Joker".

TAS showed first that the "mouth" of the Klingon Battlecruiser could fire energy projectiles and I think the final design of the TMP intermix shaft was - as strange as this may sound - actually inspired by Klingon technology seen in "More Tribbles, More Troubles".

Bob

Sector 7 September 18 2013 11:55 PM

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TAS was the first time a woman took command of a starship. Uhura was shown to be much more capable and respected in TAS. This was a far cry from the original idea that women could not become starship captains.

Cookies and Cake September 18 2013 11:58 PM

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TAS showed us the first look inside Spock's scanner.

Galileo7 September 19 2013 12:50 AM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8662972)
Yeah, but there are some things that TAS should get credit for doing first, even if others did them independently later.

Agree.:vulcan:

Christopher September 19 2013 12:53 AM

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Sector 7 wrote: (Post 8663905)
This was a far cry from the original idea that women could not become starship captains.

I don't know if "original idea" is the right description for that considering that it only showed up in the very last episode of the series -- and the very first episode, "The Cage," had shown a female Number One commanding the ship in the captain's absence. I'd call it more of an unfortunate afterthought that mercifully came too late to do any damage.

Sector 7 September 19 2013 01:21 AM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8664115)
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Sector 7 wrote: (Post 8663905)
This was a far cry from the original idea that women could not become starship captains.

I don't know if "original idea" is the right description for that considering that it only showed up in the very last episode of the series -- and the very first episode, "The Cage," had shown a female Number One commanding the ship in the captain's absence. I'd call it more of an unfortunate afterthought that mercifully came too late to do any damage.

While I like "The Cage", it was an unsuccessful pilot for the series. In all of actual TOS, a woman never commanded a starship... even briefly.

Christopher September 19 2013 02:10 AM

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^But it was never said they couldn't except by one insane character in the very last episode. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So again, I don't think it's valid to call it "the original idea" when it was never asserted until the very end of the series.


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