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ixfd64 September 18 2013 02:37 AM

"Wolf in the Fold": Y u no Vulcan mind meld?
 
In the episode "Wolf in the Fold," Scotty is accused of three murders but claims to not remember a single thing. It seems the most [Spock]logical[/Spock] response would have been for Spock to perform a Vulcan mind meld. However, this did not happen.

The writers probably did this to prevent the story from ending in five minutes, but is there any canonical explanation as to why Spock did not do a Vulcan mind meld?

Christopher September 18 2013 02:46 AM

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I think that the meld was something Spock preferred not to use unless there was no other choice, because it's very private and intense and all that. Here, they had the psychotricorder and the magic lie-detecting chair to attempt first, so maybe the situation never got to the point where mind-melding was necessary.

Also, Scotty was recovering from a head injury, so maybe the meld would've been too stressful on his healing brain or something.

Me, I'm more inclined to wonder why we never saw psychotricorders again, and why lie-detecting chair technology disappeared after TOS.

The Old Mixer September 18 2013 02:51 AM

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IIRC, they were trying to use methods that were admissible under the local laws. The VMM might not have qualified.

Pavonis September 18 2013 03:05 AM

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Yes, I'm inclined to agree with The Old Mixer. Why would the local authorities give any credence to any claims by Scotty's colleagues that he didn't do it?

ixfd64 September 18 2013 03:35 AM

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Pavonis wrote: (Post 8660284)
Yes, I'm inclined to agree with The Old Mixer. Why would the local authorities give any credence to any claims by Scotty's colleagues that he didn't do it?

Yeah, that makes sense - just like how people generally won't trust police when they investigate themselves.

Christopher September 18 2013 03:40 AM

Re: "Wolf in the Fold": Y u no Vulcan mind meld?
 
That's a much better explanation than mine. Wow, this isn't my day.

ssosmcin September 18 2013 02:03 PM

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The lie detector chair would have been very useful in Court Martial and Turnabout Intruder, eh?

Christopher September 18 2013 03:07 PM

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^And TNG's "A Matter of Perspective." And probably a bunch of others.

But then, a lot of 23rd-century technology seems to have been lost by the 24th, such as seat restraints, security armor, self-heating uniforms ("Spock's Brain"), cures for insanity ("Whom Gods Destroy"), etc.

ZapBrannigan September 18 2013 04:33 PM

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The Vulcan mind meld started out as a "terrible lowering of personal barriers" and gradually got cheapened, for lack of a better word, as Spock became desensitized.

The same thing can happen with swearing obscenely, being naked in public, you name it: under the right circumstances, people can be re-conditioned and desensitized into doing almost anything as if it were normal behavior.

Regarding Turnabout Intruder and Whom Gods Destroy, those "spot the real captain" situations are frustrating because Spock could end it very easily. He could simply say: "The captain and I had a working breakfast on Tuesday morning. What did you have to eat, and what did Mr. Scott want to talk about?"

ssosmcin September 18 2013 05:30 PM

Re: "Wolf in the Fold": Y u no Vulcan mind meld?
 
Even Spock accepting the defense for the "Cochrane Deceleration" was ridiculous because while it may be a "classic battle maneuver," there was no guarantee Kirk used it. And, IIRC, going by the position of the guy who attacked Spock, it was Kirk who missed the question. Which may have simply been a director error, if I'm not misremembering. Either way, this situation was too easy to resolve realistically.

BoredShipCapt'n September 19 2013 01:42 PM

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The Old Mixer wrote: (Post 8660242)
IIRC, they were trying to use methods that were admissible under the local laws. The VMM might not have qualified.

It wasn't even given credence by Scotty in Turnabout Intruder.

ssosmcin September 19 2013 06:41 PM

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ZapBrannigan wrote: (Post 8662051)
The Vulcan mind meld started out as a "terrible lowering of personal barriers" and gradually got cheapened, for lack of a better word, as Spock became desensitized.

They also couldn't settle on a name for it until pretty late in the game. It was "an ancient Vulcan technique," "the Vulcan technique of the joining of two minds," "the Vulcan mind probe," "the Vulcan mind fusion," "the mind touch," "the Mind Meld," which was finally coined in Specter of the Gun, and then "Telepathic communication with the mind of Captain James T. Kirk." I mean, jeez, I guess they used "meld" after the series because it was alliterative and sounded good.

Greg Cox September 19 2013 09:14 PM

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BoredShipCapt'n wrote: (Post 8665675)
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The Old Mixer wrote: (Post 8660242)
IIRC, they were trying to use methods that were admissible under the local laws. The VMM might not have qualified.

It wasn't even given credence by Scotty in Turnabout Intruder.

And in The Search for Spock, Admiral Morrow is pretty dismissive of what he terms "Vulcan mysticism."

Depending on your POV view, it's like a psychic testifying in court.

Except, of course, that in Star Trek psychics actually exist! :)

MikeS September 19 2013 09:31 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8661718)
But then, a lot of 23rd-century technology seems to have been lost by the 24th, such as seat restraints, security armor, self-heating uniforms ("Spock's Brain"), cures for insanity ("Whom Gods Destroy"), etc.

There is precedent for that though. For example in the twentieth century one could fly across the Atlantic at supersonic speeds onboard Concorde, now we have to settle for the slow route. And I believe America once had the ability to put men into space...

Christopher September 19 2013 09:46 PM

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^Yeah, but seatbelts?


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