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Sran September 12 2013 03:15 AM

Hypothetical World War III
 
Decided to post this here because it deals with a plot thread from First Contact that may or may not have come up in literature. We're told that World War III left Earth in a post-atomic horror state until the Phoenix's warp flight began to change things for the better. Have any novels or comics been written about this time period? Has anyone to tried to depict how the war itself may have unfolded. I ask because a friend of mine wonders if World War III could have been manipulated by entity like Skynet and fought between man and machines like the Terminators.

I've never thought about it, to be honest with you. But it seems plausible. The 2050s aren't 2029, but they're close. One could make the argument that the intervention of the Terminator during the second James Cameron film altered the timeline enough that Judgement Day was actually pushed back several years (but still happened). It most likely would have taken place after the 2020s because there's no mention of it while Sisko and Bashir are trapped in San Francisco of 2024.

Thoughts?

--Sran

Christopher September 12 2013 03:32 AM

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Well, first off, obviously there is never going to be any crossover of Terminator elements into Star Trek, because they're owned by different studios. That's the sort of conjecture that might be worth discussing in Fan Fiction, but it's a nonstarter in Trek Lit (particularly since story ideas are a no-no here).

That aside, Trek Lit dealing with WWIII includes The Lost Era: The Sundered by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels, and two stories from Strange New Worlds 9: "Mestral" by Ben Guilfoy (set just before the war and featuring Zefram Cochrane) and "The Immortality Blues" by Marc Carlson (which is based on The Sundered's depiction of WWIII and shows it from Flint/Akharin's perspective).

Federation by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens offers an alternative take on Cochrane's life and WWIII, one that's since been overwritten by canon.

Leto_II September 12 2013 04:34 AM

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There's also David Brin's Wildstorm TNG graphic novel Forgiveness, set in the year 2052 (the year before the war starts), and which deals with one of the inventors of transporter technology.

From a strictly-canonical viewpoint, I was more than a little disappointed that the novel Federation was overwritten by the events of ST:FC, although that was certainly more than the prerogative of the Paramount production team at the time.

That said, I prefer to think that perhaps a version of the novel's events still occurred (in slightly-modified form) in the movie continuity, with some of the dates moved around, etc. -- the novel's version of Zefram Cochrane's early life, for example, still meshes quite well with what we know from later sources (and actually fits better with his portrayal in "Metamorphosis," IMO).

It certainly beats simply throwing out the novel altogether, at the very least.

Rķu rķu, chķu September 12 2013 04:54 AM

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"The Immortality Blues" is one of my favorite SNW stories ever written. :techman:

Avro Arrow September 12 2013 05:29 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8633950)
I ask because a friend of mine wonders if World War III could have been manipulated by entity like Skynet and fought between man and machines like the Terminators.

I've never thought about it, to be honest with you. But it seems plausible. The 2050s aren't 2029, but they're close. One could make the argument that the intervention of the Terminator during the second James Cameron film altered the timeline enough that Judgement Day was actually pushed back several years (but still happened).

Well, I guess that could explain why the state of robotics in the UFP is less advanced than it is here, now. The Terrans outlawed the technology after almost being wiped out by them, a la the Augments.

But seriously, no.

Besides the perfectly logical things Christoper said, there's also the fact that Cochrane and his band of survivors didn't seem too worried about being mowed down by robot death troops at any given moment.

Star Trek's take on WWIII is humanity taking itself to the edge of the abyss, then, against all odds, and with the help of some new friends, recovering from that, and learning to finally overcome our hatred and live together in peace. It kind of loses something if it's "us vs. the robots".

jpv2000 September 12 2013 03:18 PM

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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8634289)
Star Trek's take on WWIII is humanity taking itself to the edge of the abyss, then, against all odds, and with the help of some new friends, recovering from that, and learning to finally overcome our hatred and live together in peace. It kind of loses something if it's "us vs. the robots".

This is my opinion as well.

Christopher September 12 2013 03:38 PM

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Leto_II wrote: (Post 8634154)
That said, I prefer to think that perhaps a version of the novel's events still occurred (in slightly-modified form) in the movie continuity, with some of the dates moved around, etc. -- the novel's version of Zefram Cochrane's early life, for example, still meshes quite well with what we know from later sources (and actually fits better with his portrayal in "Metamorphosis," IMO).

I don't know... I think it actually makes less sense for the young Cochrane of the 21st century to be recognizably the same character as the 235-year-old Cochrane who's spent the past 150 years with only a gas cloud for company. A person should change profoundly over such a span of time.



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It certainly beats simply throwing out the novel altogether, at the very least.
I used to think that way, until I realized that simply removing a book from continuity doesn't entail "throwing it out" in any way. I'd reached the point where I was mentally editing and rewriting books so much to force them to fit that I was failing to enjoy them for their own individual merits and idiosyncrasies. I realized I was doing the books a disservice by thinking they had to serve Continuity above all else. And I realized it was more fun just to read the books in the spirit they were intended, to let them be out of continuity and enjoy the freedom that gave them to be themselves. Star Trek is supposed to be about celebrating diversity, after all, not bulldozing it into a homogeneous mass.

JeBuS September 12 2013 03:42 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 8635315)
Star Trek is supposed to be about celebrating diversity, after all, not bulldozing it into a homogeneous mass.

But... assimilation!:p

Masiral September 12 2013 04:46 PM

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jpv2000 wrote: (Post 8635234)
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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 8634289)
Star Trek's take on WWIII is humanity taking itself to the edge of the abyss, then, against all odds, and with the help of some new friends, recovering from that, and learning to finally overcome our hatred and live together in peace. It kind of loses something if it's "us vs. the robots".

This is my opinion as well.

Yeah, I agree. It's really about making peace with each other, not banding together to fight off evil robots. We, as human beings, decide to work together to create a better future, not out of necessity, but out of basic human decency.

Stevil2001 September 13 2013 04:23 AM

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Let's not forget the key role that Count Dressler played in the conflict.

JeBuS September 13 2013 04:29 AM

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Steve Mollmann wrote: (Post 8638372)
Let's not forget the key role that Count Dressler played in the conflict.

Wow, never heard of that before now. That's one of those ones I would just shake my head at and forget I ever heard of.

Stevil2001 September 15 2013 09:02 PM

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If I was the King Of All Star Trek, the Gold Key comics would be the canon. And nothing else.

Christopher September 15 2013 10:20 PM

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^Even the first issue where Spock blithely exterminates a planet full of sentient life?

Rķu rķu, chķu September 15 2013 10:23 PM

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I would love to see WW III actually depicted in a series of Trek novels. We only know the barest essentials of it - that the ECON (Eastern Coalition) was involved, as was Colonel Green, and it took place in 2053 - so there's lots of room to breathe. A full-out balls-to-the-wall series would probably run at least three novels. And it wouldn't even have to involve any current characters either.

Defcon September 15 2013 10:37 PM

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To be honest, I doubt even a single novel would sell enough to be wortwhile enough for S&S to produce, let alone a trilogy.


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