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Sran September 12 2013 12:37 AM

Question About "The Chimes at Midnight"
 
"The Chimes at Midnight" is a story that's part of the Myriad Universes novel Echoes and Refractions . The story details events set in the timeline in which Spock died during childhood after being attacked by a Le-matya, and the Andorian Thelin th'Valrass becomes Kirk's closest friend and first officer.

The story details events beginning around the time of TMP and continues through TUC. Details of Thelin's involvement during the five-year mission are sparse, but enough information is shared to suggest that the TOS portion of this timeline is similar to what happened in the primary universe. That being the case, I have to wonder what Thelin might have done to conceal his identity during "The City on the Edge of Forever" if he traveled back in time with Kirk instead of Spock. Does a timeline exist where there is a mysterious blue-skinned visitor in Earth's past?

--Sran

Mr. Laser Beam September 12 2013 01:07 AM

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Maybe Thelin didn't go on that mission.

Sran September 12 2013 01:08 AM

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^Yes, but that's no fun.

--Sran

Sci September 12 2013 01:09 AM

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I think the simplest hypothesis would be that upon realizing they would need to travel downtime to Earth's pre-warp era, Thelin stayed back with the rest of the landing party and did not enter the Guardian.

Of course, heck, for all we know, maybe the Enterprise never discovered the Guardian in the first place without Spock aboard.

Sran September 12 2013 01:11 AM

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Sci wrote: (Post 8633377)
I think the simplest hypothesis would be that upon realizing they would need to travel downtime to Earth's pre-warp era, Thelin stayed back with the rest of the landing party and did not enter the Guardian.

Or maybe McCoy ended up traveling to a different world's past where Thelin could have gone safely.

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Of course, heck, for all we know, maybe the Enterprise never discovered the Guardian in the first place without Spock aboard.

Yes, but that's no fun.

--Sran

Mr. Laser Beam September 12 2013 01:15 AM

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If circumstances forced Thelin to go, he probably stayed hidden for as long as possible. Maybe wore a full hoodie if he needed to go out in public.

Sci September 12 2013 01:16 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8633392)
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Sci wrote: (Post 8633377)
I think the simplest hypothesis would be that upon realizing they would need to travel downtime to Earth's pre-warp era, Thelin stayed back with the rest of the landing party and did not enter the Guardian.

Or maybe McCoy ended up traveling to a different world's past where Thelin could have gone safely.

True!

Heck, maybe the Guardian sent them downtime to an equivalent point in Andor's history, and it was Kirk who had to disguise himself!

Sran September 12 2013 01:21 AM

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Sci wrote: (Post 8633404)
Heck, maybe the Guardian sent them downtime to an equivalent point in Andor's history, and it was Kirk who had to disguise himself!

This is an interesting idea. Though I wonder what Kirk's role might have been in Andor's past if Thelin were out roaming the streets. Would he have tried repairing the tricorder as Spock had done while on Earth? It's never been made clear what Kirk's formal training was in during his Academy or pre-command days. It's implied that he was always on the command track. But even command track cadets and junior officers spend time learning specific skills in case they're in a situation where they have only themselves to rely on. Could he have made the repairs while Thelin fell in love with the Andor equivalent of Edith Keeler?

--Sran

Sran September 12 2013 01:23 AM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 8633398)
If circumstances forced Thelin to go, he probably stayed hidden for as long as possible. Maybe wore a full hoodie if he needed to go out in public.

Good point! I guess the convenient thing about Kirk and Spock's predicament in the actual episode is that Spock needed to spend most of his time indoors to repair the tricorder and finish the pneumonic memory circuit. Thelin had similar skills and expertise, so it wouldn't have been a stretch to believe he'd have done the same thing. I just wonder how Kirk might have explained his blue complexion to the curious Edith.

--Sran

DorkBoy [TM] September 12 2013 01:27 AM

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I see you've noticed the antennae?

They're actually very easy to explain.

You see, he got his head caught in a mechanical rice picker.

See? It still works. Basically. :)

Mr. Laser Beam September 12 2013 01:37 AM

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"Sorry about my friend here. He's feeling blue."

JD September 12 2013 02:36 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8633257)
"The Chimes at Midnight" is a story that's part of the Myriad Universes novel Echoes and Refractions . The story details events set in the timeline in which Spock died during childhood after being attacked by a Le-matya, and the Andorian Thelin th'Valrass becomes Kirk's closest friend and first officer.

The story details events beginning around the time of TMP and continues through TUC. Details of Thelin's involvement during the five-year mission are sparse, but enough information is shared to suggest that the TOS portion of this timeline is similar to what happened in the primary universe. That being the case, I have to wonder what Thelin might have done to conceal his identity during "The City on the Edge of Forever" if he traveled back in time with Kirk instead of Spock. Does a timeline exist where there is a mysterious blue-skinned visitor in Earth's past?

--Sran

This brings up my one minor complaint about the Myriad Universes series. They managed to create 9 fascinating new universes, and there are a lot of questions like these about their futures and pasts. I especially wish we could get a follow up to the Kahn victorious universe. It ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, and I would love to see what happened next.

Sran September 12 2013 02:49 AM

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JD wrote: (Post 8633791)
This brings up my one minor complaint about the Myriad Universes series. They managed to create 9 fascinating new universes, and there are a lot of questions like these about their futures and pasts. I especially wish we could get a follow up to the Kahn victorious universe. It ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, and I would love to see what happened next.

I've similar feelings. Star Trek is the one place where alternate universe stories could actually be considered canon (as much as any novel could given that none of actually are canon). Why not expand on some of the ideas already used in the MU stories and flesh out what happens in these timelines before or after the stories in question?

Now that I'm thinking about it, there are several MU stories that would be interesting to tell if they ever decide to revive the series. I know of at least one Trek author who has an idea he'd like to write about (I don't know what his idea actually is). I won't post my ideas here because it's forbidden by board policy but am willing to share them via PM.

--Sran

King Daniel Into Darkness September 12 2013 07:13 AM

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"He's from Albania."

jpv2000 September 12 2013 03:11 PM

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DorkBoy [TM] wrote: (Post 8633458)
I see you've noticed the antennae?

They're actually very easy to explain.

You see, he got his head caught in a mechanical rice picker.

See? It still works. Basically. :)

:rofl::lol::guffaw::lol::rofl:

That Kirk, he was awesome. :techman:


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