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jazzstick August 28 2013 06:41 PM

Dawn
 
Hey!

As some of you may know, I'm not a fan of Enterprise but I am re-watching them now and I just got done with "Dawn".

Now this was actually a good episode but what bugged me about it was the fact that it was pretty much the movie "Enemy Mind" minus the whole baby angle. I also noticed how close the alien in the episode looked like the Drak from the movie...

Anybody else notice this?


http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...50/ZhoKaan.jpg


http://www.explore-science-fiction-m...ine-drac-2.jpg

Enterprise is Great August 28 2013 07:06 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Yeah, that was discussed quite a bit when the episode first aired IIRC. They were really running out of ideas at this point of season 2.

Ho Ho Homeier August 28 2013 07:07 PM

Re: Dawn
 
My take on it a few weeks ago:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=210

jazzstick August 28 2013 07:07 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Quote:

Enterprise is Great wrote: (Post 8567974)
Yeah, that was discussed quite a bit when the episode first aired IIRC. They were really running out of ideas at this point of season 2.


Running out of ideas in season two...damn!

jazzstick August 28 2013 07:12 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Quote:

Melakon wrote: (Post 8567977)


Yeah I agree there are many well done aspects to this episode but it would seem that pulling it off was far easier when it's copied from a movie!!!

I vaugly remember this episode when it aired but watching it again made me cringe!

JariM August 28 2013 07:40 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Dawn borrowed heavily from Enemy Mine which borrowed from Hell in the Pacific which borrowed from None But the Brave.

F. King Daniel August 28 2013 07:57 PM

Re: Dawn
 
What bugged me was, once Enterprise located Trip and the alien on the surface, NOBODY thought to beam down a tent and air conditioner.

Ho Ho Homeier August 28 2013 08:26 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Or even water, which Bernd Schneider pointed out on his site. "Hey guys, while you're figuring out how to rescue us, how about sending down a tent and a canteen?"

R. Star August 28 2013 09:03 PM

Re: Dawn
 
This is hardly the only time Trek has done something incredibly similar to another setting. When the modus operandi for scifi series is to make all aliens humans with funny faces, it happens.

Take these two for example...

http://www.trekbbs.com/data:image/jp...GVWcZ4miSOP//Zhttp://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-conte...0/sontaran.jpg http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media...ro/320x240.jpg http://www.trekbbs.com/data:image/jp...GVWcZ4miSOP//Z

Mutai Sho-Rin August 28 2013 11:22 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Enemy Mine originated as a short story by Barry Longyear in the Sept, 1979 issue of Isaac Asimov magazine. It is one of my absolute favorite works of any length. It was later expanded into a novel that more paralleled the movie than the original short. If you ever read it, the phrase "Grow four, five?" will register.

I liked Dawn precisely because it did take another turn at the same old but worthy idea.

DonIago August 28 2013 11:57 PM

Re: Dawn
 
I seem to recall falling asleep fairly early in the episode. Which isn't necessarily the episode's fault, but still.

vulcan redshirt September 5 2013 07:01 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Quote:

R. Star wrote: (Post 8568700)
This is hardly the only time Trek has done something incredibly similar to another setting. When the modus operandi for scifi series is to make all aliens humans with funny faces, it happens.

Take these two for example...

http://www.trekbbs.com/data:image/jp...GVWcZ4miSOP//Zhttp://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-conte...0/sontaran.jpg http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media...ro/320x240.jpg http://www.trekbbs.com/data:image/jp...GVWcZ4miSOP//Z

you're right - Sontarans

teacake September 6 2013 01:31 AM

Re: Dawn
 
Enemy Mine should bore the crap out of me having seen this served so many different ways but I think it is well done and oddly gripping.

Yanks September 19 2013 04:26 PM

Re: Dawn
 
Quote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8568286)
What bugged me was, once Enterprise located Trip and the alien on the surface, NOBODY thought to beam down a tent and air conditioner.

This!!


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