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austen_pierce August 28 2013 03:52 AM

Khan Side By Side Review
 
Does anyone have handy or a link reference to a side by side visual comparison of the blu-ray and older DVD versions of Wrath of Khan?

I'm debating purchasing the blu-ray but would like to see the differences, particularly the much maligned changes in coloring and DNR before I commit.

Aldo August 28 2013 04:58 AM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
I just found this ranomly while googling, it's a link to another message board. It also compares the VHS and online (Netflix, etc.).

I didn't look at it thoroughly, but I did skim it, looks pretty intersting:


Link

Lance August 28 2013 07:11 AM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
^ I think the trouble with that AVS forum comparison is that it uses the 2009 DVD. Which was released using essentially the same remastered print as used on the BD disc (although obviously at a lower resolution). It's not quite as stark a difference as it would have been to, say, compare the earlier released two-disc Collector's Edition of TWOK to the BD release.

austen_pierce August 28 2013 12:56 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Thanks for the link.... for the benefit of those not willing to follow:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidHir http://www.avsforum.com/img/forum/go_quote.gif

Imagic, cool thread!

Some have claimed the original color timing has changed for the Blu-ray; any thoughts or information on this? My thinking is the previous home versions had incorrect color pushing too much red. The Blu-ray really does look excellent and extremely film-like (wish the rest of the Trek movies looked like this).


This was my take:
Quote: "Watching the Blu-ray presentation was a genuine pleasure. The film holds up well—after 31 years, colors still pop and everything looks sharp. The Blu-ray itself is a remastered edition with a distinctly cooler look to it. I've seen this referred to as "the teal look." Personally, I think it looks color accurate, while the original version has a distinct reddish hue to it."

While this is helpful, I'd really like to see a side by side of this effect, compared with the 2-disc DE, which I own.

SpHeRe31459 August 29 2013 03:29 AM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
This very topic came up earlier this summer.

Here's a link to different versions including the DE DVD, and a satellite HD broadcast with pre-2009 color timing changes:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1146477/st...#post_16443616

austen_pierce August 29 2013 02:29 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

SpHeRe31459 wrote: (Post 8570056)
This very topic came up earlier this summer.

Here's a link to different versions including the DE DVD, and a satellite HD broadcast with pre-2009 color timing changes:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1146477/st...#post_16443616

YES. This is what I've been looking for. Thank you!

Flying Spaghetti Monster August 29 2013 06:53 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue

Grant August 29 2013 07:26 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 8572927)
TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue

Amen--the blue was a mess--all the careful restoration down the drain by turning the the blue/cyan up to ELEVEN!

What a freakin' joke--if you click on that link above---the first image is from spock's death scene in TWOK.

There are 4 images from 4 different formats.
The overuse of blue in the final image of the Blu-ray transfer slaps you accross the face!

austen_pierce August 30 2013 01:53 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

Grant wrote: (Post 8573107)
Quote:

Flying Spaghetti Monster wrote: (Post 8572927)
TWOK was the worst Blu-Ray transfer I've ever seen. Everything looks blue and washed out. Even Regula looks blue

Amen--the blue was a mess--all the careful restoration down the drain by turning the the blue/cyan up to ELEVEN!

What a freakin' joke--if you click on that link above---the first image is from spock's death scene in TWOK.

There are 4 images from 4 different formats.
The overuse of blue in the final image of the Blu-ray transfer slaps you accross the face!

Does anyone have a side by side of Regula? If true, that WOULD be a reason not to buy.

Jeyl August 30 2013 02:05 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8576272)
Does anyone have a side by side of Regula? If true, that WOULD be a reason not to buy.

Not a side by side, but up and down.

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/...sc74ffe1e.jpeg

austen_pierce August 30 2013 02:24 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
^^^
Thank you Jeyl!!!

Holy (profanity in profusion)!

What the (more profanity) were they thinking?!?!

This isn't TWOK... this is a new movie. Nimoy states in an interview or commentary at some point that TWOK is about strong emotions, particularly friendship and anger. It is supposed to be a 'hot' film. Now it appears to have been whitewashed, or soaked in cool ranch dressing.

So one last bit of reactionary melodrama... is that space lab regula one or V'Ger? Didn't we just have a grey and blue movie in TMP?

Grant August 30 2013 04:31 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8576386)
^^^
Thank you Jeyl!!!

Holy (profanity in profusion)!

What the (more profanity) were they thinking?!?!

This isn't TWOK... this is a new movie. Nimoy states in an interview or commentary at some point that TWOK is about strong emotions, particularly friendship and anger. It is supposed to be a 'hot' film. Now it appears to have been whitewashed, or soaked in cool ranch dressing.

So one last bit of reactionary melodrama... is that space lab regula one or V'Ger? Didn't we just have a grey and blue movie in TMP?


Holy %^&#$!@@*())^%, that is worse than I remember it.

Amazingly, there are some folks who say the blue version of Regula is EXACTLY how it looked in the theater 31 years ago!

But I have now read at least 5 different posts from people who have seen vintage prints stating, yes regula is red/brown in vintage 35mm prints!

Please fix this next time Paramount! The restoration was great now fix the color and give us the Director's cut and deleted scenes!

Green Shirt August 31 2013 04:39 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
I stopped reading the review the second time I saw "Start Trek". :rolleyes:

austen_pierce September 1 2013 08:44 PM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
I really want to see TWOK on Blu-Ray. After sleeping on these images, I've decided that my desire to have the film in high definition outweighs my reaction to these images, so I' going to buy. After all, I very much doubt we're going to get a color-corrected version of the film anytime soon.

I do think that my eyes are going to adjust to the blue and when I take my eyes off the screen the real world is going to look orange. That's going to be weird.

Grant September 2 2013 12:28 AM

Re: Khan Side By Side Review
 
Quote:

austen_pierce wrote: (Post 8585434)
I really want to see TWOK on Blu-Ray. After sleeping on these imaged, I've decided that my desire to have the film in high definition outweighs my reaction to these images, so I' going to buy. After all, I very much doubt we're going to get a color-corrected version of the film anytime soon.

I do think that my eyes are going to adjust to the blue and when I take my eyes off the screen the real world is going to look orange. That's going to be weird.

100% agree - color correctness not that important to Blu-ray


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