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jazzstick August 27 2013 11:21 PM

The Aligorical Aliens!
 
Hey my Trekkie Peeps!


Ok so aligorically speaking who are the races of Star Trek?

Here's loosly what I can see both some charactoristics in common and parallels:


Federation: US/UN

Klingons: Russians

Romulans: China

Cardassians: Nazi Germany

Bajorians: A cross between Isreal and The Jewish Peoples of Europe who got killed by the Nazi Regime.

There are a bunch more but I'm at a loss...

Your thoughts?

SchwEnt August 28 2013 12:14 AM

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Ferengis: ______

Pakleds: ??? ???

Geoff Peterson August 28 2013 12:32 AM

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Ferengi were supposed to be similar to Yankee Traders. Basically Capitalists with out scruples.

Klingons were The Soviets.

antichristhill August 28 2013 12:35 AM

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You mean symbolically, not allegorically.

An allegorical alien race would be like the one in "Let That Be Your Last Battlefied," where the men from Charon are black one side and white on the other. That race represents an idea, a concept---in this case, it's racism.

Queen Arachnia August 28 2013 01:08 AM

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My thoughts:

Federation: United Nations / Cooperation

Vulcans: Logic

Klingons: Honor/War (also I have always equated them with Medieval)

Romulans: Roman Empire / Uncooperative

Cardassians: Any Nazi/Totalitarian Regime

Bajorians: Any society/people who were oppressed and regained freedom

Ferengi: Extreme Capitalism

Mutoid August 28 2013 01:08 AM

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Are you talking races that appeared more than once?
Because TOS was chock full of allegory or symbolism without being subtle. I don't think I need to spell out the equivalent races in "A Private Little War", "Patterns of Force" or "Omega Glory"

R. Star August 28 2013 01:12 AM

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I think people look too much into things. The Klingon Empire was by communist standards an imperialist society. Last I checked Kruschev and Brezhnev didn't fight to the death for leadership of the Soviet Union. The Romulan Star Empire was also a place where class mattered. The Cardassian Union was more a military dictatorship than a fascist regime as well. Just take the Trek races at face value... most of them aren't very deep... and leave it at that.

Geoff Peterson August 28 2013 03:04 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8564887)
I think people look too much into things. The Klingon Empire was by communist standards an imperialist society. Last I checked Kruschev and Brezhnev didn't fight to the death for leadership of the Soviet Union. The Romulan Star Empire was also a place where class mattered. The Cardassian Union was more a military dictatorship than a fascist regime as well. Just take the Trek races at face value... most of them aren't very deep... and leave it at that.

There's no doubt that the Klingons in TOS were stand in for the Soviets. A point made more explicit in the Undiscovered Country. In TNG and beyond they moved beyond and into being Space Biker/Viking/Samurai. While the Soviets didn't engage in hand to hand combat to become leaders they did engage in other tactics that ended in the deaths of their opponents.

The Romulans are partly a stand in for the Chinese ( the mysterious foe we have no real contact with) and also Nazis. The plot of Balance of Terror is lifted from a WWII set war film The Enemy Below. The only other major Romulan story from TOS is "the Enterprise Incident" which was inspired by the Pueblo Incident". The classism of Romulan Society is a later addition.

Being "allegories" doesn't mean a 100% replication.

Dr. Sevrin August 28 2013 04:10 AM

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TNG sort of mixed up the Klingons and Romulans I think. In ""Balance of Terror" the Romulan Commander tells Kirk they are creatures of duty. Somehow, that gets assigned to the Klingons instead in TNG, leaving the Romulans floundering for a contemporary parallel. The Chinese connection surprises me, as I don't believe I ever heard it assigned to them until recently.

Borg - Americans, consuming everything through homogenization of cultures.

Creepy Critter August 28 2013 04:13 AM

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The Pueblo incident involved the North Koreans, rather than Chinese.

Geoff Peterson August 28 2013 04:19 AM

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CorporalCaptain wrote: (Post 8565691)
The Pueblo incident involved the North Koreans, rather than Chinese.

I'm aware of that. Didn't mean to imply other wise.

Elvira August 28 2013 06:26 AM

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Journey to Babel.

The Federation is the UN
Vulcan is America
Tellar is China
Coridan is Taiwan

Should the Coridan planets be admitted into the Federation (UN)? The Coridan planets are claimed by some races like Tellar (China), races who want to keep it out of the Federation (UN), others support it's admission - Vulcan (America).

:)

Robert Comsol August 28 2013 09:05 AM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8565673)
TNG sort of mixed up the Klingons and Romulans I think.

I think that already happened in the bridge simulator at the beginning of ST II (unless it was deliberate to remind the well-educated cadets that this was just a simulation ;))

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8565673)
Borg - Americans, consuming everything through homogenization of cultures.

Ouch. A very interesting thought. :lol:

The one stereotype I'm still not entirely convinced is that the TOS Klingons presented citizens of the Soviet Union. I mean, you don't add a Russian crew member (Chekov) to appease the Soviets and then use the Klingons as carbon copies of the Red Army.

Especially with the portrayal of Kang in "Day of the Dove" and keeping the Hornblower allusions in mind, he reminded me rather of a Spanish captain (the antagonists in most of Hornblower's adventures) who tried to seize Kirk's ship (to take and claim the ship as a "prize").

Bob

Geoff Peterson August 28 2013 02:34 PM

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The Klingons came before Chekov. Star Trek was created in the early/mid sixties and reflected the attitudes of that time in many ways. The role the Klingons played also evolved with the times and with each appearance. From brutal totalitarian to "friendly" rival to admirable foe.

Dr. Sevrin August 28 2013 03:35 PM

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Chekov was created to appeal to fans of The Monkees. Chekov bears a resemblance to Davy Jones. The Chekov appeasing the Soviets thing is just Roddenberry press puffery.


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