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Noddy August 27 2013 11:36 AM

Time travel in the new universe
 
I've been thinking about this in connection to what Christopher L. Bennett establishes about time travel in his DTI novels: If someone were to travel back in time from the present of the new continuity to a point in the past before the arrival of the Narada, maybe change a couple of things slightly, and then return to their own time, how would it effect the original divergence point?

Set Harth August 27 2013 02:09 PM

Re: Time travel in the new universe
 
Affect, not effect.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 27 2013 02:18 PM

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Noddy wrote: (Post 8562196)
I've been thinking about this in connection to what Christopher L. Bennett establishes about time travel in his DTI novels: If someone were to travel back in time from the present of the new continuity to a point in the past before the arrival of the Narada, maybe change a couple of things slightly, and then return to their own time, how would it effect the original divergence point?

If you're going by the DTI books, it depends what method of time travel was used. Black holes branch off another reality, wheras other methods alter the existing timeline. I guess the changes before the divergence would affect both timelines.

YellowSubmarine August 27 2013 08:50 PM

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The Narada incursion damaged local subspace, crushed warp trajectories and killed the ability of the universe to roll timeloops and split timelines. No more time travel, kids. The world ends when you run out of humpback whales.

Gojira August 27 2013 09:03 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8562505)
If you're going by the DTI books, it depends what method of time travel was used. Black holes branch off another reality, wheras other methods alter the existing timeline. I guess the changes before the divergence would affect both timelines.

I always liked this explanation. It helps me see that JJ Trek has not erased the old time line. We see the Mirror Universe as existing parallel to the Prime Universe without erasing anything. In Mirror Mirror Kirk et al. were able to go back and forth from the Prime Universe to the Mirror Universe without creating a new time line.

the TNG episode showed that multiple parallel Universe exist simultaneously. The method of time travel will indicate where you go.

I like the idea or concept that different modes of time travel will get you to different destinations.

Noddy August 27 2013 09:21 PM

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I have actually wondered what will happen in the new reality when, 20+ years after STID, the Cetacean Probe comes to Earth, and someone has to go back in time to grab some humpback whales to take to the future.

DonIago August 27 2013 09:31 PM

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^While it would be hilarious if Kirk et al. traveled into the past and ran into themselves, I personally subscribe to the theory that when you travel into the past you're traveling into a different timeline from the one in which you originated, which in this case would mean they'd travel into a past from which they hadn't attempted to borrow some whales yet.

YellowSubmarine August 27 2013 09:48 PM

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Noddy wrote: (Post 8563945)
I have actually wondered what will happen in the new reality when, 20+ years after STID, the Cetacean Probe comes to Earth, and someone has to go back in time to grab some humpback whales to take to the future.

They run up into their prime universe counterparts trying to take their own pair of humpback whales, and they are forced to conceal themselves from themselves. Authorities mistake nuChekov for Chekov Prime and arrest him, nuScotty resigns when Kirk refuses to prevent Scotty Prime from selling the transparent aluminium, Uhura is sent alone to negotiate with the Norwegians, and the two Spocks accidentally switch places, explaining how Spock Prime got working on all thrusters by the end of the TVH.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 27 2013 10:42 PM

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Noddy wrote: (Post 8563945)
I have actually wondered what will happen in the new reality when, 20+ years after STID, the Cetacean Probe comes to Earth, and someone has to go back in time to grab some humpback whales to take to the future.

Spock Prime will just stand on a beach in San Fransico bay, hold up his iPod and play the whalesong from the end of STIV at full volume. Crisis averted.

RevDMV August 28 2013 02:53 AM

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Well the Doomsday Machine is coming first.

Agent Richard07 August 28 2013 03:54 PM

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YellowSubmarine wrote: (Post 8564068)
They run up into their prime universe counterparts trying to take their own pair of humpback whales, and they are forced to conceal themselves from themselves.

Like Back to the Future Part II where Marty goes back to 1955. Something like that might actually be fun to watch if they could pull it off.

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YellowSubmarine wrote: (Post 8564068)
Authorities mistake nuChekov for Chekov Prime and arrest him...

They wouldn't recognize him because unlike the other characters, the new Chekov is actually a different person and wouldn't look like Chekov Prime.

YellowSubmarine August 28 2013 04:30 PM

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Agent Richard07 wrote: (Post 8567095)
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YellowSubmarine wrote: (Post 8564068)
Authorities mistake nuChekov for Chekov Prime and arrest him...

They wouldn't recognize him because unlike the other characters, the new Chekov is actually a different person and wouldn't look like Chekov Prime.

I wasn't joking about that one. I really want to see Anton Yelchin's Chekov detained and questioned by 20th century US officials. Without a clue as to why, preferably. It was so unfair to transport him from the elevator and miss the chance to tease the police for a bit longer. Let's give them a third chance.

We don't even need to see the prime crew, just arrest him.


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