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TheSubCommander August 24 2013 08:58 PM

Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
Imagine a scenario where Earth was about to be destroyed and Picard failed to stop it. Let's say the Enterprise, Picard, and the crew were all killed in a failed attempt to stop whatever the threat was. It doesn't matter which scenario, but one of these could be a possibility, just as examples of a hopeless, worst case scenario:

1. In Best of Both Worlds, Riker failed to recapture Picard, and the Borg took over the Earth.

2. Picard and Crew failed to stop the Borg from altering the timeline in First Contact.

3. Shinzon destroyed the Enterprise, sneaked past the USS Galaxy and battle group, made it to Earth, and saturated it with Thalaron radiation.

Or any other scenario where the outcome is the same.

So, given that Q, at least the one we know as Q (John Delancie) has an infatuation with humans in particular, and at least in All Good THings, saved humanity (or more properly, gave Picard the hint that saved humanity), would Q stand by as humanity was snuffed out, or would he intervene?

Hartzilla2007 August 24 2013 09:10 PM

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TheSubCommander wrote: (Post 8551618)
Imagine a scenario where Earth was about to be destroyed and Picard failed to stop it. Let's say the Enterprise, Picard, and the crew were all killed in a failed attempt to stop whatever the threat was. It doesn't matter which scenario, but one of these could be a possibility, just as examples of a hopeless, worst case scenario:

1. In Best of Both Worlds, Riker failed to recapture Picard, and the Borg took over the Earth.

2. Picard and Crew failed to stop the Borg from altering the timeline in First Contact.

3. Shinzon destroyed the Enterprise, sneaked past the USS Galaxy and battle group, made it to Earth, and saturated it with Thalaron radiation.

Or any other scenario where the outcome is the same.

So, given that Q, at least the one we know as Q (John Delancie) has an infatuation with humans in particular, and at least in All Good THings, saved humanity (or more properly, gave Picard the hint that saved humanity), would Q stand by as humanity was snuffed out, or would he intervene?

Considering all the realities where the federation was screwed over I don't think he would save the day.

JirinPanthosa August 24 2013 09:19 PM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
OBJECTION! Alternate timelines are immaterial!

I doubt Q would intervene. Q don't seem themselves as shepherds to lower life forms. They only show their faces when they want to amuse themselves. Maybe Q would sort of nudge them in the right direction to stop themselves from being destroyed but they wouldn't directly intervene.

The Wormhole August 24 2013 09:41 PM

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No, I doubt he'd stand by and watch humanity get screwed. He might be cryptic and vague with only offering hints to a human on what might save the day, either because that's all the Continuum will allow him to do or perhaps because that amuses him. But he wouldn't just sit by and do nothing.

C.E. Evans August 24 2013 09:49 PM

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The Q only has a passing interest in Humans, and even that is debatable in that it extends throughout the entire Continuum. There are countless other life-forms and civilizations throughout the Universe that are just as interesting, if not more.

And given the Q's power, Humans might as well be a colony of ants on the side of the road that might be fascinating for some of them to observe (or even poke with a stick) for a little while, but not really more than that, IMO.

Melakon August 24 2013 10:10 PM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
I don't think the Q species really gives two sh!ts about the human race.

The Old Mixer August 24 2013 10:37 PM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
Q seems more interested in testing humanity than nursemaiding it. A humanity that needs Q to be its savior isn't worthy enough of his interest for Q to intervene on its behalf.

Nerys Myk August 24 2013 11:13 PM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
Humans make great pets.

Christopher August 25 2013 02:19 AM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
The Q are billions of years old. They must have seen millions of civilizations and species go extinct in that span of time. Q would see all corporeal intelligences as ephemeral; they all die out sooner or later. It wouldn't make much difference to him whether humanity died out now or a million years from now -- that would be to his lifespan like a few days out of a human's lifespan.

On the other hand, Q might care whether humanity lasts long enough to evolve to a higher, more enduring state similar to the Q themselves, and wouldn't want to see us wiped out before we reached that stage.

Push The Button August 25 2013 05:18 AM

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It always seemed to me that "our" Q was probably breaking some sort of Continuum rule when he messed with Picard all of those times. I'd bet that the official Q policy is similar to the Prime Directive, do not interfere with the natural development of a species until/unless they achieve some level of Q-type abilities.

LobsterAfternoon August 25 2013 06:27 AM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
I'd like to think that while the Q as a whole wouldn't do anything, "our" Q would tip off someone like Picard or Janeway, the way he gave Picard a preview of the Borg.

Silvercrest August 25 2013 07:11 AM

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This is going to sound pedantic, but I'd just like to point out that destroying the Earth isn't at all the same as destroying humanity, at least in the 24th century. Even destroying the Federation doesn't necessarily equate to that-- depending on how you mean destroying the Federation. Humanity is pretty widespread.

I only point this out because if we're postulating something in Trek that could actually destroy humanity, the possibilities are a bit more limited. Say perhaps a Q-level being that deliberately seeks out human planets to destroy. Q might very well react differently to that sort of thing than he would to the Borg or Shinzon.

Now, if all we're really talking about is a threat to the Earth, or to the structure of the Federation, then I agree that Q wouldn't bother, or at most he'd just drop hints.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 25 2013 10:46 AM

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We saw 31st century Earth destroyed and the Federation erased from history in ENT: "Shockwave" part 2. Where was Q then?

Shawnster August 25 2013 02:58 PM

Re: Would Q allow humanity or federation to be dstroyed?
 
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JirinPanthosa wrote: (Post 8551708)
OBJECTION! Alternate timelines are immaterial!

I doubt Q would intervene. Q don't seem themselves as shepherds to lower life forms. They only show their faces when they want to amuse themselves. Maybe Q would sort of nudge them in the right direction to stop themselves from being destroyed but they wouldn't directly intervene.

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8551870)
I don't think the Q species really gives two sh!ts about the human race.


I don't understand what Q's objection was to the human race, specifically. In Encounter at Farpoint, Q's specific target for ire is humanity. From what I've seen in all of Star Trek, Humans are no different than any other species in the galaxy when it comes to morals, goals, ambitions, desires, manifest destiny, etc...

bbjeg August 25 2013 03:02 PM

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I think Q would help the future humans. Doesn't Q owe Janeway one for saving the continuum? They may be a bit warped but Q has ethics.


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